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Adjustment Tech Racing
Ninja lowering solutions were found here and there are a variety of solutions for Metric bikes

Skull Enterprises
A Colorado company that can shorten existing shocks as well as offering custom shocks . . . just ignore the women in bikinis (geez!)

 

 

 

Articles on lowering a bike:
Progressive Suspension Tech
Lower Your VStar 650 for Free with the "Julio Slam"! (this is an Adobe Acrobat PDF file)
Lower Your Sportster: An Interesting Alternative

2006

Wednesday, February 8

Dear VTwin Mama,
How do I lower a 2006 Goldwing? Please help. – Wing Rider

Dear Wing Rider,
Let a whole lot of air out of the tires? No, that can't be right!

If you have not purchased this bike just yet, which I'm assuming is the GL1800, the best bet is to talk this over with the dealer as part of the purchase price. I did read one posting which suggested that the easiest way to gain some assistance on leg-to-ground-reach, was to have the sides of the seat modified (i.e. trimmed down so that your legs aren't thrust out so far). This can be done by any reliable upholstery shop. Otherwise, the time honored methods are a lowering kit, shorter shocks, or lower profile tires, all of which may not yet be available (as often happens with the newest model bikes and I could not find any of these solutions on the most popular aftermarket sites). Even if you have already bought the bike, I'd double check with the dealer's parts and/or service department. Another thing to check would be to see if Skull Enterprises can custom shorten that shock for you. Any Goldwingers out there reading this with more input? – Mama

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Wednesday, March 22

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hi, last spring I bought a S50 Suzuki. I am 53 and only 4'11". I am so very excited about learning to ride, but I have a problem: I have this little short body and very short legs and I wear a boot with a heel, but it is still not enough.  My question is, is there anything that I could do to lower my bike maybe to give me an extra inch or two? Any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated.  Safe riding, blessings, – Christine

Dear Christine,
Please take a look at this page from ScootWorks, which offers a rear suspension lowering kit for the VS800 Intruder/S50 (1992-current). You'll want to consider lowering the front end as well, as this keeps the aspect ratio more in line with the original setup, and that solution can be found on the same page. Give them a shout if you have any questions! – Mama

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Wednesday, March 22

Dear VTwin Mama,
Just got the new Harley Street Bob and would like to lower it just a little more than factory. I tried a different seat and a different suspension on the rear from the dealer, but still would feel more comfortable with it lower. I'm 5'2" and my inseam is 30". – Hollee Fielder

Dear Hollee,
It's hard to say as I'm not quite sure what you mean by a different suspension and would love to know what seat you changed to. However, if by different suspension you meant shorter shocks, that may be the most modification you can make to the bike, as many aftermarket companies take a while to come in with more solutions for the newest model bikes. In a previous posting on lowering the Street Bob, it was noted that you could run into footpeg scraping problems on curves, and that shaving a seat's interior padding was a possibility in getting your overall profile lower on the bike. Look at your original and new seat, especially the sides, and determine if the sides were shaved down, whether that would help with reducing your legs being thrust out. Or, have the sides and middle shaved. The only other thing might be smaller tires, but really noodle that out fully with the dealer. Some people visit their local shoe repair shop to see if riding boots can be modified with a bit more heel, but not interfere with the foot pedal operation. – Mama

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Thursday, March 23

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have a 1999 Honda Ace 750 that I would like to lower. Any comments or reviews on the Scootworks lowering kits? – Short Legs

Dear Short Legs,
The only input I can offer is that Scootworks has consistently responded to my questions in a timely manner and with good information. Readers, anyone out there with direct knowledge about this lowering option?
– Mama

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Friday, March 24

Dear VTwin Mama,
In regard to lowering a Guzzi . . . have Sargents shave the seat, drop the front forks, lower profile tires and/or shocks. – No Name

Dear No Name,
Sorry I couldn't link this to the original letter, but it's worthwhile to review procedures on modifying a motorcycle to meet a rider's needs. I'll simply add that many have found that a local upholstery shop can handle the seat shave and that in choosing lower profile tires, one must ask about the affect on the speedometer/odometer reading and whether that needs to be changed or recalibrated. – Mama

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Wednesday, April 5

Dear VTwin Mama,
I had wrote you previously about my wife's S40 . . . it appears that we will have to lower it anyway. I know I saw a site on the Net that had a lowering kit for the S40 that boiled down to a shock relocation bracket. It moves the bottom of the shocks further back thus creating more of an angle which in turn lowers the rear of the bike. They said for every inch it was moved back that you dropped 1/2 inch in the height. 

I was looking for the 2" brackets and will drop the arms on the triple tree an inch to match (since there's plenty of room there) and it will be an inch total lowered. If you have any links to such a kit or maybe post the question so others that may know of this kit can respond, we would appreciate it. Thanks in advance! – VTX Predator in NC

Dear VTX Predator,
Oh, for goodness sakes, either my research talents have finally eluded me or I'm not using the right combination of words in the search engine to find what you're looking for! Have you checked with the local dealer or hopped onto specific message boards related to the bike? Readers, anyone who can help? – Mama

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Friday, April 21

Dear VTwin Mama,
In regard to lowering a Ninja 250: This document from the Ninja 250 Riders Club is a comprehensive FAQ on the Ninja 250, and it addresses lowering on p. 92: – No Name

Dear No Name,
Thank you for sharing this! – Mama

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Tuesday, June 6

Dear VTwin Mama, 
I own a 650 Suzuki Bandit and bought it around a year ago, but I have dropped it twice which has dented my confidence. On both occasions it was in a car park and this was because I couldn't get my feet flat on the ground and jab the front brake on, and when it went, I couldn't stop the weight of the bike and it fell. My husband has now lowered the suspension and the seat for me and I can now get one foot completely on the ground if I lean the bike slightly to the side.

I am unsure whether I should have both feet completely flat on the ground or should I practice when I stop just having one foot completely on the ground? If I put both down I get them there but just the balls of me feet. Do think this is safe? I have been out a few times and my confidence is building but it is in the back of my mind. I enjoy riding my bike but would like to get past this mental block. Look forward to hearing from you. . – A Lady Rider from Inverness (in Scotland)

Dear Lady Rider,
It's true that a motorcycle can be ridden even if one can't get feet firmly planted on the ground, but new riders often find added confidence when being able to do this! I think that there is simply less to think about when approaching a stop (one can concentrate on the controls rather than adding the logistics of having to tip the bike and reach the leg at a stop). The other thing is that with a slightly tipped stop, you are not taking off perfectly straight, which again, can hamper a new rider who has plenty to think about anyway without throwing in another "thing."

I'll also note that beginning riders find practice with the throttle/clutch is easier if they can duck-walk (feet paddling along the ground) the motorcycle to get a feel for things. And moving the bike into a position when one has run out of room in the parking lot is also easier if one can plant feet and duck-walk the bike.

Since the bike has already been lowered, please take a closer look at your riding boots. Consider getting something with more heel, but be mindful how this would then interact with your overall foot position on the peg-to-lever. See if this doesn't make the difference you are looking for, as yes, it's important if you feel you can't do your best learning with the added pressure of tippy-toe. – Mama

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Monday, July 10

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am 5'0" and have a Yamaha R6 Raven. It's been lowered 3 inches, but I still have problems touching the ground. I know it's possible because I saw a shortee like me with the same bike and she was wearing tennis shoes, but unfortunately could not catch up to her. The dealership can put some kind of shock on it, but very expensive. I was thinking about a new seat. With a sports bike I don't want to mess up the ride. Any ideas? I'm in Ft. Worth, TX if any one knows of a reputable place. – Yvonne Sotelo

Dear Yvonne,
It is too bad that you couldn't talk with this woman, but it's possible that she was just a tad taller than you or had a slightly longer leg inseam, and that's what we're talking about . . . just a matter of an inch or two. Still, when it comes to motorcycles, inches count!

In looking at a picture of the motorcycle I see that the stock seat really doesn't look like it can be shaved down by any significant amount without seriously eroding the comfort to butt bones. If there is a molded plastic seat with a lower profile for that bike it could be the solution, but again, you're balancing lower sitting height against seat comfort.

That leaves the new shock you mention, but before plunking down $$$ I would make sure you clearly understand what lowering you will gain. That leaves lower profile (smaller) tires but make sure they are approved for the bike or taking another look at your riding boots (always recommended over tennis shoes) to see if more sole/heel can be added (or a different pair chosen), keeping in mind how your feet will then fit from the footpegs to the foot controls (whose position can usually be adjusted to accommodate a change).

If you haven't found these sites before, you may wish to get on a women's forum specifically for the sporty style bikes, which can be found by visiting my Women's Sites page. They may have other ideas that are just not obvious to me. – Mama

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Wednesday, July 26

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hi, I am a newbie that just bought a 2004 Virago 250 to learn to ride on. Unfortunately, I didn't spend enough time sitting on it to pay attention to the fact that my legs are a bit long for the bike. My knees are almost above the top of the tank. Any suggestions? Can the footpegs be lowered, or only pushed forward with forward controls? – Janelle

Dear Janelle,
Congrats on the "new" bike and your adventure in riding! Yes, if you go to this Accessories International page and then choose your model and then forward controls, you'll see a set for $300. This may be pricey for a motorcycle you may be only keeping for awhile. A less expensive solution may be to add an exterior seat pad to raise your butt up a bit (choose the seat & gel pad category to look). Or you could consider opening up the seat, shaving that back ridge off so you can scoot back a bit more in the sitting position, but then when you go to resell, this could be an issue. – Mama

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Sunday, August 6

Hi VTwin Mama,
Great site, thank you! [you are welcome!] I got my first bike a couple of weeks ago after completing my CBT two weeks before that. I'm finding I'm dropping the bike a lot, particularly when I let go the clutch too quickly or getting it off the stand. I've already gone through two indicator lenses, a clutch lever, and a brake lever.

Even though it's supposed to be good for short people, I'm wondering if it could be even lower -- right now it feels like it has a very high centre of gravity and it doesn't help I can only touch the ground on my tippy toes. Is there a lowering kit for the Yamaha YBR 125? I'm going to try to find someone to have the seat scooped but lowering the center of gravity would help me a whole lot. Regards, – Lisa

Dear Lisa,
Congrats on passing the course and getting your first motorcycle! I can find no evidence of a lowering kit for that bike, but a call to the local dealer should reveal the definitive answer and I'd also ask if a shorter shock is available (usually a 2.5cm difference, but in your case, it's important centimeters!). If these are not available then you may wish to check for someone who can custom shorten the shock (although in the UK I don't have a source for you). You might find help at the GB Bikers forum, which has a specific Yamaha section for UK riders. – Mama

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Wednesday, August 23

For Wing Rider who was looking to lower a 2006 Goldwing:

Corbin advertises a new seat that will result in a lower seat.  – Anonymous (note from Mama: thanks for sharing a new solution!)

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Tuesday, September 5

Dear VTwin Mama,
Trying to lower a 1983 Nighthawk 450 so the girlfriend can ride it, need about 2-3" if possible. Can you help? – Ron

Dear Ron,
Yikes, a 23-year-old motorcycle can be a bear to find solutions for! First, can the seat cover be opened up and some padding shaved out to drop the height of the seat? Even shaving some off the sides (if the seat is wide) could help because thighs aren't thrust out as far before legs reach for the ground. Your girlfriend could review her riding boots and elect for a bit more heel . . . between these suggestions, it might be enough.

If more is needed, determine if dropping the actual bike frame would bring the foot pegs into dangerously close position to the ground on higher speed curves . . . scraping of pegs is no fun in my estimation. If you think you've got the clearance, then here are some ideas to lower the bike. 

Visit this page on the Old Bike Barn . . . I'm guessing these shocks are the same length as the originals, but I'm not sure. Shorter shocks would lower the bike and there are services that will custom shorten shocks if you can't find shorter ones. Otherwise, it's possible an independent bike service shop could take an L-shape bracket so that the top of the shock bolts into the bracket, the bracket bolts back into the original shock bolt hole, and the "L" will drop the bike down. In some cases, the top bolt hole for the shock can be redrilled, thus repositioning the shock so that the bike drops down.

A slighter lower profile tire might help, but I'd be super careful here on wheel/frame clearance and potential shift in speedometer/odometer readings. – Mama

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Tuesday, September 12

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am 5'2" tall and just purchased a '06 1200L.  I absolutely love the bike and love to ride, but need to have it lowered about 2" so I can put my feet flat on the ground.  I have looked everywhere and haven't been able to find anything to help my cause.  Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, – Kay

Dear Kay,
All lowering kits I've found are charted on my Lowering Kits page. From Hellbent Hogs, it looks like you may only be able to come down one inch. All other lowering or modification suggestions can be found on my Motorcycles for Short Riders page. – Mama

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Wednesday, September 13

For Kay who is looking to lower her '06 1200L 2":

I'm just under 5' tall and can touch the ground perfectly on my 1200 since I replaced the standard seat with a LePera Bare Bones solo seat and installed 11" Progressive shocks in the rear.  Attached is a photo of the bike! – Pat (note from Mama: thanks for sharing!)

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Thursday, September 14

More for Kay who is looking to lower her '06 1200L 2":

Before I brought my '06 1200L home, my husband had the HD store lower the forks and put the lower shocks on the back.  It lowered my bike about 2".  I also replaced the stock seat with a solo seat (HD Brawler) and I am almost flat footed now. 

I'm 5'2" as well and it really made the world of difference I needed to feel comfortable. 

I tried the "Reach" seat and it brought me forward but it didn't bring me lower to the ground.  I really like the Brawler seat; it's a little pricey but well worth it.  I also had forward controls put on because every time I would stop my pant leg would get caught on the foot peg. 

I've attached a few photos as well . . . I'm goofing off for the camera but you can see how it's lowered for our height.  Gotta have fun! 

This is my first bike and I have been only riding for 4 months (over 2200 miles).  I had back surgery a few weeks ago and have to take a few months off of riding to heal properly . . . I can't wait to get back on. Good luck, ride safe and have fun, – Tami (note from Mama: thanks for sharing!)

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Monday, October 2

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am looking to buy a Kawasaki 650 KLR but I am only 5'4". I can't find a way to lower it at least 4 inches. Help. – fmdw37

Dear fmdw37,
Lowering any motorcycle by that amount is quite dicey as you have to be careful about the bike getting too close to the ground, especially on fast road curves! The tough fact is that sport-style bikes are designed to have that ground clearance for a reason! Still, you're interested, so let's explore a few things.

First, hop on to this ScootWorks page to see a lowering link that will drop you a maximum of 3". That's exciting! Then you could make up the other inch by either shaving something out of the seat or getting a riding boot with some more heel or adding an internal lift piece.

For further consideration, I would head to this specific KLR650 forum, where you can further explore if the lowering question has been posted yet, and if not, post and get input from riders of the same bike. – Mama

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Wednesday, November 8

Dear VTwin Mama,
Has anyone out there, short women riders in particular, installed an air-ride suspension on their bike? Thought this would be a good alternative to lowering the bike. You could lower it at stops, then rise up for a more comfortable ride. Curious if anyone has tried this and if it works for them. – Julie in Shingletown

Dear Julie,
Hmmmm . . . you're right . . . it is an interesting concept! We did have input from David who noted that a shorter shock can compromise comfort but that an air suspension shock solves that but is quite pricey. Readers with knowledge on this subject . . . please chime in!  – Mama

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Tuesday, November 14

Dear VTwin Mama,
Looking for a longer lower shock link for the Kaw Ninja 250 for my short wife. Any ideas? BTW, Corbin is now making a saddle for the Ninja 250 which may be 1" lower than stock. – Anonymous

Dear Anon,
On my Lowering Kits page you'll find a link to a site that offers lowering options for those Ninjas (as noted by another reader). Thanks for the heads up on the seat possibility! – Mama

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Thursday, November 16

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am currently studying for an HNC in Mechanical Engineering and have been tasked with completing a project. My chosen project is on the lowering of a Suzuki SV 650. Would it be possible if you could help me on the subject? I am enquiring on what materials they are made of. Regards, – Stacie-Ann Moffat

Dear Stacie-Ann,
What an interesting project choice! Let's see what we can drum up for you.

First, motorcycles can be lowered in a number of ways, but given your project, I'm pretty sure you are referencing the use of lowering links (vs. shorter shocks, etc.). These links come in a variety of styles depending on the make/model.

For the SV 650 I found this product link at the 1Tail.com site, which indicates the item they offer is made of steel. There's a contact number on the site in Colorado, so you may wish to contact them for more details on the exact specifications of that steel.

On the Adjustment Tech site (click on Adjusters) I found that they offer the same type style lowering link and "these adjusters are machined from 6061-T6 aluminum on our CNC Mill."

So, then I looked for information on that 6061-T6 aluminum and found this data sheet, which might be useful to you.

You may wish to search some more . . . I typed in "lowering kit for a Suzuki SV 650" in order to find this beginning information. – Mama

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Friday, December 15

Dear VTwin Mama,
Hoping this may help some of my fellow "vertically challenged" riders like myself. I bought a 1100 Goldwing and was teetering on toes at lights. A little Internet research led me to Licks Cycles in New Hampshire . . . one call and they made, and I mean affordable, a set of shocks that lowered the Wing a total of 3 1/2 inches for less than $300. This would be an alternative if your bike has coilovers, I suppose for all bikes. Check them out . . . for me it was like the holy grail for short guys and bikes. LOL. Hope it helped, – skipjackbill

Dear skipjackbill,
I did get input at one time about another shop out west that made custom shocks and solved a short rider's foot-to-ground contact challenge. Thanks for sharing that it is highly useful to seek this solution. Sounds like the Wing fits you to a "T" now! – Mama

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2007

Thursday, March 15

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have a 2005 Goldwing and am looking for a way to lower it about 2 inches. It has a very comfortable ride but would like to be a little more flat footed on the uneven surfaces that I encounter so often. Any help would really be appreciated. – Shirley

Dear Shirley,
To date I don't believe we've identified a lowering kit for the Goldwings and I just checked my metric aftermarket catalogs and am not finding anything. A call to the dealer's parts department should reveal something if it's available.

Otherwise, other tactics to get your feet firmly on the ground are to shave the sides of the seat padding (so your thighs aren't thrust out as far before legs can go down), exploring a new lower seat (there is a note that Corbin as one), seeing if shorter shocks are available for the bike, and adding a bit of height to the heel of your riding boot or using a lift insert. I hope these ideas help you noodle out more things to ask about. – Mama

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Tuesday, March 20

From Shirley who is trying to lower a Goldwing 2":

Thanks Mama . . .  I called all the dealers in the area and there are no lowering kits available from Honda or aftermarket either.  So, as you suggested, the bike went to the shop today and they are shaving the seat down 1 1/2 to 2 inches and inserting the gel pad (might as well add a little more comfort while they are inside the seat). The seat will be custom fitted for me.  Should only take a few days to a week tops only because they are squeezing the job in.  Thanks for your help and I will keep your site in mind should anything else come up. – Shirley (note from Mama: I'm so glad I was able to offer suggestions as to how you could proceed with getting your feet more firmly on the ground . . . maybe a picture of you and the bike when the seat is finished?!?!?!)

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Friday, March 23

For Shirley who is finding her Goldwing is seating her a few inches too high:

Ya, dealers don't have lowering kits but there is a way to do it . . .  as mine is but was lowered by a previous owner. We figure that you remove springs front and back . . .  either find a shorter one or find a machinist to cut it down a bit. The whole machine will be closer to the ground but the the ground is higher so speed bumps scrap the belly. Lowering the seat is the best option but it could turn the bike into being a sore butt spot (after traveling to Fogo Island  in northeastern Newfoundland and back 12,000k, my bottom was so sore). Try a Yami 1100 to see what I mean. Good biking – Murray (note from Mama: we have heard of shortening shocks/springs but you've reminded us that sometimes lowering a motorcycle can result in bottom and/or side scrapes. Shirley did note that in shaving out the seat she's having them put in a gel insert . . . that should cushion the change!)

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Friday, April 6

Dear VTwin Mama,
I just bought a 2006 Yamaha FZ1. I'm 5'2" and can barely reach the ground. Is there anyway to lower this bike? All I would need is 1 inch, if that. Thanks! – Shortee

Dear Shortee,
I took a look at Yamaha's page on the motorcycle and they note the bike has adjustable suspension at both ends, so I'm assuming you have already adjusted the suspension to its lowest settings. If not, visit the local dealer's service department so they can show you where that is.

Otherwise, there is a lowering link that will bring that bike down either 2" or 4" . . . here is one example. It says it's only up to '05 models, but a call should clarify if it could be used on an '06. To find that, I typed in "lowering kit for Yamaha FZ1" in the Google search engine. So it appears there are solutions for you.

Another tactic is to review the riding boots you have. Sometimes you can have a local shoe repair shop add some sole/heel to a boot . . . or you can consider adding lift inserts . . . that makes a difference as well. – Mama

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Wednesday, April 25

Dear VTwin Mama,
Not so much a question, but some information for other riders or folks looking to get their first bike. I am a short chick at 5'4" and feel most comfortable when two feet are on the ground. With that in mind, my eye on a second bike along the lines of a sport or sport touring type, I rummaged around for lowering kits for the Kawasaki Ninja EX500, and the Suzuki Bandit 600A (not terribly tall but too tall for short stubby legged me).

Indirectly, I stumbled across the following links: Exotic SportBike: Lowering Links and Cyclewareables. I do not know enough about how the process of lowering works to know if the following are just one part of or a complete solution to lowering a bike, but offers a fix for others who may have wanted a particular bike that was too tall before being lowered, or their current ride needs to be made more comfortable. – Holly

Dear Holly,
Yummy! Thank you for sharing these site pages as I'll be able to use them for future sport-style motorcycle lowering questions, which has been difficult to research.  – Mama

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Thursday, April 26

For Holly who noted some links to sites with lowering options for sport-style bikes:

I have the same problem you do. I have just ordered 11 inch Progressive 412 shocks for my Street Bob. I tried shaving the seat, but it didn't help very much.  The 412s are supposed to lower the Bob 1- 1 1/2 inches.  I am also going to have the seat custom done next month.  – Crystal (note from Mama: yes, for some bikes, shorter shocks are available and there are even custom shops to shorten certain shocks. Seat shaving on sport-style bikes isn't always practical as there often isn't as much to begin with (as compared to many cruiser/touring seats). Thanks for sharing how you're proceeding!)

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Thursday, April 26

Dear VTwin Mama,
Please help! I can’t find any information on lowering a Kawasaki 2006 Ninja 650R or a Kawasaki 2006 Z1000. ANY information (modify stock shock, lowering links, installing shorter shock, modifying the front forks, different seats) you can pass on would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, – Chopperchik

Dear Chopperchik,
I found a lowering link solution for the Z1000 . . . go to Adjustment Tech Racing, click on Adjusters, click on each image, and you'll see the two products available. This company is out of Ontario, Canada . . . you may wish to call them about the 650R possibilities . . . they may be working on something. I was unable to locate anything else for the 650R. However, there is an extremely active Ninja 650R message board that could help . . . you will be able to search the topic sections without registering.  – Mama

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Friday, April 27

From Chopperchik who is exploring lowering options for Kawi 650R and Z1000:

VTwin Mama, thanks for getting back to me. I put out a few feelers and found that a 3/4" shorter shock is available from Ninja650Shop.com. They are Penske and Works Performance. Also, Kawasaki offers an OEM 1" shorter seat, but they are back ordered till June. Corbin has a few options when it comes to seats (solo, shorter, taller) but they are VERY expensive.

AJ from adjustmenttech.com offered this solution: "We have 2 kits for the rear, either cc185 or 185f for the Z1000. They are in the adjusters section. For the front, loosen the triples and slide the nose down a bit. I think this works on the 650 too. The rear of the 650 is more difficult; no linkage to change/alter. Send the rear shock to someone like Race Tech and have them shorten it or call Progressive Suspension or Works Performance. They will build you a shorter shock. I believe all these are in California."

So patience pays off.

All this is new to me. I am 39 and got MY first bike last fall. I had been a back seat driver for years, but I am finally at a point in my life where it's my turn. I started shopping for bikes and the thing I looked at most, was the seat height. I depended on the sales guys to help and my husband to help but I should have spoke with a woman rider first. Guys have good intentions, but they really don't understand, as I'm sure you know.

I'm almost 5'1". So in the fall I got a 2004 Yamaha V-Star 650. That was a mistake. It was very nice, but not exactly what I wanted. It did not have as much power as I expected, long wheel base and it was heavy. I rode it for about 500 miles and just knew I wanted something different. Last weekend I got this new 2006 Ninja 650. I have about 100 miles on it and I love it. It is a motorcycle in every sense that I expected. I just need it a little shorter. I love the responsiveness (8.5 " shorter wheelbase), the torque at any speed (48.5ft-lbs@7000rpm vs. 37.5ft-lbs@3000rpm VStar), and it's a lot lighter (110 lbs or so). I miss my VStar because it was like that comfy pair of sweats you have for those Sunday mornings, but my Ninja is that lil black dress that can get you in trouble Friday nights. It makes me smile just thinking about it!

My husband has had bikes on & off, but I let him know, I'm getting a bike and if he wants to come along, he needs to get his own. So he ended up with the Kawasaki Z1000. He is now looking at something different, but I may not get rid of the Z1000 so I started looking at lowering his bike.

Thanks again. I LOVE your site by the way. I will be back often. C ya', – Rena, aka Chopperchik (note from Mama: how wonderful of you to report in how my research suggestions turned out . . . it sound like AJ was really willing to offer you pathways to solutions with explanations of things . . . that's the best! And it was fun to read about your entry into the adventure of riding and how you're moving forward!)

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Wednesday, May 2

Dear VTwin Mama,
I noticed that many of your readers are looking for ways to lower their bikes so they can get both feet flat on the ground. My wife went through several steps ("low" model bike, shaved seat, boots with thicker heels.) I don't want to discourage anyone from lowering a bike to feel secure and comfortable on it, but I'd like to suggest for safety's sake that everyone make a transition from putting both feet down and relaxing at a stop. Here's what experienced riders suggest once you are comfortable with your bike.

Before stopping, decide on an "exit route" i.e. a way out if someone behind you doesn't stop. Point your bike slightly in the direction of the exit route. Put just the left foot down at a stop. Keep the bike in 1st, clutch in, right foot on the brake, right hand on the throttle, and eyes checking the mirrors. If someone approaching from behind decides not to stop, just move into your exit route.

Once you are comfortable with the one-foot stop, then the height of the bike is less of an issue. Of course you need to get both feet down to back a bike into a parking spot, but sometimes that can be solved with a pull-through spot. – FXD-Tim

Dear FXD-Tim,
You are absolutely right . . . it's not absolutely necessary to be able to flat foot a motorcycle and we've had a few letters about that over the years. We've also had letters about the importance of pulling up to a stop, but being ready to quickly move away "just in case." Thank you for bringing these points to light again and a good review of hand/foot control readiness at stops.

I think we discuss flat foot lowering so much because new and newer riders can gain a measure of confidence by being able to stop with both feet firmly in place. Still, a slight lean for the left foot plant does work nicely . . . although I'll add a cautinary note . . . remember to gauge the stop "place" so you're not inadvertently going for a lean/plant on a down-sloping incline . . . even a small one can catch you by surprise (and who hasn't had that happen!). – Mama

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Friday, June 22

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am a new rider -- so new that my class is next week. Anyhow, I have a 2007 Kawasaki ZX6R in my garage waiting for me, but need to find a good shop to shave the seat down without losing too much comfort on the booty. Live in the East Bay and would prefer something in Oakland, Berkeley, Walnut Creek, Pleasont areas. – Kokujin

Dear Kokujin,
Congrats on the new motorcycle and have fun taking your class! Upholstery shops can usually take a seat and do the work for you . . . one idea after shaving down some of the padding for seat height  is to have them then scoop out an extra section and add a gel insert so the tushy stays comfortable!

Before doing all of that though, you should review that the shocks and suspension are lowered as much as possible and even check into shorter shocks for the bike. Just a thought! – Mama

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Monday, July 9

Hi VTwin Mama,
I have a new 2007 Harley Street Bob. My 5'2" and 110 lb frame are challenged with parking. I live in a mountainous area, gravel, hills etc. I watch my husband just pull right in spaces and I get really clumsy . .. feet go down and I walk the bike in those tight spaces. Problem is, the weight of the Street Bob. I can't even back it up on flat surfaces. I work out every day. I had no problem with my former 883 Low. Any suggestions welcomed? – Janet

Dear Janet,
It sounds like you lost just a bit of reach to ground with the new motorcycle's seat height. It's only 1/2" difference, but that's enough to cause that little extra you had to propel backwards. So, you can be extra careful parking (only pull into spaces that are slanted up, so you can roll back or back up into what you roll down into and then power out of; could be a small nuance, but lots of times possible).

Otherwise, you might want to shave just a tad out of your current seat (from the sides if it's thrusting your thigh out just a bit, or from the middle if needed), check that your rear shock and front fork are set as low as possible without losing bump absorption, check for a slightly shorter shock (local dealer or even someone like Progressive Suspension), or check your boots to see if a bit more sole can be added, resoled, or a new pair a possibility. Some riders have noted that a pullback riser (at a small increment) will move the handlebar back a bit and can move you in your seat position for better leg-to-ground positioning. – Mama

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Monday, July 30

Hello VTM,
I first wanted to tell you about a fix. XL 1200 Low, 2007-- I am 5'2" and felt my center of gravity was off. I could not get confident on the bike. Curves were a nightmare! I ordered the 10" short shocks from Licks Custom Cycles and love them! It dropped me 2" and I now feel one with my bike! My feet are firmly on the ground and curves feel natural.

Now, I am having a problem which I will try to explain. I guess I have short feet. I can't seem to get comfy on the foot peg. I put forward controls on and it is a bit better, but unless I lift my foot and move it forward, only the very tip of my boot gets under the shifter and is not enough to do the job. So I am constantly lifting my heal of the peg and sliding my foot forward to shift gears. Is this a stupid problem? It is just aggravating for me. Your thought would be appreciated. P.S. I LOVE THIS SITE! Sincerely, – Janet Muller

Dear Janet,
Thank you for noting that shorter shocks are a great way to bring a motorcycle's center of gravity down, which does greatly impact our ability to handle curves and turns smoothly.

Your foot reach to shifter question isn't stupid and YOU ARE NOT ALONE! My suggestion is to take a look at the Kurakyn ISO-Wing Mini Board. This allows for greater resting comfort and positioning of your foot so you're not stuck on the peg with the heel of your riding boot. Lots of gals have noted this really did the trick. Double check with the local dealer that this change can be made to your new forward controls! – Mama

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Tuesday, July 31

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have an opportunity to purchase a beautiful Triumph Sprint. The seat height is 32". Unfortunately I have a 28" inseam. I am a very experienced rider. Any ideas to get lower on this model? – R. Muir

Dear R.,
It's definitely a challenge! I looked at a picture and don't see that anything radical can happen with the seat and I wasn't able to find a lowering kit. That pretty much leaves finding out if a shorter monoshock is available (contact the closest Triumph dealer) and choosing riding boots with more sole and heel.

If a shorter stock shock isn't available (which I also can't find online), you could check with Skull Enterprises in Colorado to see if they can custom shorten the shock of that model. – Mama

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Thursday, August 9

Dear VTwin Mama,
Do you know if there is any way to lower a Suzuki DR200?  (Or how I can find out?) I am 5'2" and have to wear a thick soled boot just to get the ball of my foot to touch the ground. I would feel more confident if I could lower the bike a few inches.  Once I am going, I am fine.  It's the tight spots, u-turns and incline starts that freak me out. (I just finished a MSF beginner course and used a small street bike.  I felt more confident because I could touch the ground and now I'd like to feel that way on my motorcycle.) Thanks, – Dual Sport Mom

Dear Dual Sport Mom,
What a fun little bike you've got! I bet it's a peppy thing, but with a 31" seat height, I see the problem. Understandably, this type of off-road motorcycle is designed with high clearance in mind so that things out in the middle of nowhere won't tear out the bottom.

So, I would start with a call to the local Suzuki dealer's service department. Ask if there is a lowering kit, ask if the shock has an adjustment (and how to check that it's at its lowest), or if a shorter shock is available. I doubt you'll be able to do anything with the seat as there isn't much padding to trim out.

Not all dealers are well-versed on these things or don't have time to come up with creative solutions. So ask several dealers within 100 miles if necessary.

If the answers are no, no, no . . . then head for an independent motorcycle shop and see if a gearhead there will take on the project  . . . most likely shaping a bracket to bring the top shock mounting bolt hole down a bit. Be clear on how much lowering you would like . . . but be prepared that you might only get part of what you ask for. – Mama

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Friday, August 17

Dear VTwin Mama,
I just purchased a Kawasaki Versys and thought I could touch the ground but am having a hard time on inclines and declines. I know the bike is new to the US market but has been in Europe for awhile. Is there a lowering kit available for the 2008 model? I have already sent the seat off to Sargent Cycle and it didn't help at all. Something about the pyramid effect when shaving off the top. I need help!!! – Alice in Atlanta

Dear Alice,
Well, you're right, I hadn't heard about this dual-purpose motorcycle. With a seat height of 33.1", this can be a challenge! The first thing to check is that the shock setting (most have variable settings) is at the lowest point possible. In looking at a picture, I just can't see that a shorter shock could be put in, but a call to a Kawi dealer should answer that question. Then I would check your riding boots to see if it would be possible to add sole/heel, or even consider a new pair with a thicker sole/higher heel.

Honestly, these type of bikes are made to have a lot of ground clearance as the manufacturer built it to handle off road situations. The only other thing I can suggest, if a shorter shock or new boots don't solve your concerns, is to find an independent bike shop and see if they would be willingly to take a look and make a lowering bracket (if even possible). – Mama

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Tuesday, September 11

Dear VTwin Mama,
I need some input for lowering a 2005/2006 Cagiva Raptor. Can't find anything. – Pam in Australia

Dear Pam,
I found a HyperPro Lowering Kit for a Raptor 650 motorcycle ... the source is from the UK, but that leads me to believe you would be able to get it in Australia. On that page is an email address so you can communicate and ask more questions! Maybe even an Australian source! – Mama

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Wednesday, October 3

Dear VTwin Mama,
My hubby just traded my Sportster for a  Softail Deluxe, put the ‘reach’ seat on it so I  could touch the ground and now my right leg gets broiled from the heat pouring off the oil tank.   We installed a Kuryakyn heat shield and it provided absolutely no relief from the heat. The stock seat is too wide, however, the heat isn’t an issue when it is installed.  Therefore I would like  to go back to the stock seat.   I was hoping to avoid lowering the bike because I’ve heard that the ride quality will suffer.  I would like to hear from anyone with a similar experience and how their bike feels when using an aftermarket lowering kit. Thanks. – Deb T.

Dear Deb,
Congrats on the new Deluxe! Yes, heat shields can only do so much and often times it's the same bike, but each rider's body hits "points" differently. Before you go lowering the motorcycle, which does have an impact on the overall ride, take another look at your stock seat. 

It probably would be possible to open that up and shave some of the foam from the sides and center. You shave the sides so your thighs aren't thrust out as far before the legs go to the ground. If this sounds like the seat may no longer be comfortable, you scoop out enough from the center to lower you and have some room to add a gel pad inside. While you could do it yourself, there are a number of companies that offer this service, but I'll simply mention that Allen at Mean City Cycles (an advertiser here) has helped a lot of my readers noodle out possibilities.

If even the best seat mod doesn't completely bring you down to where you need to be, the difference could be made up by reviewing the riding boots you use, or getting a new pair with a thicker sole and higher heel.

I would explore these options, but am also hoping that women with lowered Softail Deluxes write in to give you their view. – Mama

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Thursday, October 4

For Deb who is working on seat height/positioning issues:

I went from a Virago 250 to a 2005 Deluxe in June. I am only 4'11" and had to have the Deluxe lowered. I also changed to a LePera reach seat that put me closer to the tank. Because of that I also get a lot of heat. I purchased a shield from Cool Thighs that works great. I got the info from the VTM message board. I absolutely love my bike and I have not had any problems since having it lowered. But that is the only way I have been able to ride it so I cannot say how it rode before being lowered. I also had an easy pull clutch installed and would highly recommend it to anyone that is considering it. Ride safe ! And congratulations on the new bike ! – Hope (note from Mama: I've heard from lots or riders who swear by the Cool Thighs product!)

I bought a new Heritage Softail this spring after riding a Yamaha 650 V Star Silverado for the last three seasons. I had mine lowered about 1 1/4 inches ( I'm 5'6" tall) with an Arlen Ness lowering kit (done at my Harley dealers) and may have my seat modified some this winter, but I can flat foot it and move it about much easier after the lowering was done. When I began riding the Heritage I was shocked at how much heat was coming off the oil tank, and began searching the internet forums, etc. for a way to fix it.  The solution I have found are the RJS Originals  V-Twin Heat Deflectors.( I think they have been mentioned on this site before). They are leather covered and you can get them studded or not, and are made specific to each model of bike. Besides cutting the heat at least 75% they look great on my bike!  Before I got them I had to wear my chaps to protect my inner thigh from the heat, but afterwards I can comfortably wear just a pair of jeans. They are more expensive than the plastic heat shields I have seen, but definitely worth it in my opinion!  Hope this helps! – SD Heritage Rider (so it's not uncommon!)

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Wednesday, October 17

Dear Mama,
I have been doing some reading on your site and I see that it just isn't me with a problem. I took the motorcycle course last June and I bought a 2000 800cc Marauder this spring.

We lowered the shocks as low as they go, but I still have to wear a 2 inch heel to reach the ground and I'm really nervous on turns. I have a hard time leaning my bike; it feels like it's gonna upset. 

They tell me it's all in my head but I only put 1000 kms (Canada) about 600 miles (US) on it. I want to lower it more but I can't find short shocks, or a lowering kit for it. Do you have any ideas where I can get a shorter shock lower than 10"? I wonder if I should change the tires from 16 to 15 if that would help?

I do find this bike top heavy, with the straight bars. My husband got a Vulcan 800 but it's 100 pounds heavier than mine. So I don't like to drive it. but it's lighter on the bars. it's odd. Thanks, – 800 Marauder

Dear 800 Marauder,
1000kms isn't really a lot of time on a motorcycle and every person is going to judge the handling differently. The bottom line is that you're struggling with it. And yes, 2" heels can feel clumsy to a newer rider.

The first thing I would try is to take another look at the handlebar. Sit on the bike with your back straight and centered off the kickstand. Lift your hands to a comfortable position without leaning forward or reaching for the controls. If it's just high, then rotate the whole handlebar down a bit (most likely has a center clamping brace) and then get the clutch and brake portions reset on the bar (they loosen and can be rotated). If the whole thing is too far away, then add a pullback riser (very inexpensive change usually). If the controls are too wide apart for comfort, then a new handlebar is needed.

Believe it or not, a review of the handlebar may solve 75% of the concerns as you'll gain a better seating position on the bike, and thus, a better reach to ground with your legs.

Before I lower a bike or change the tires, I'd consider scooping part of the seat padding out to lower you in the seat. Just an inch trim could do it for you and in looking at a picture of the bike, I think you could sacrifice an inch without loosing seat comfort.

I doubt you're going to find a shorter length shock but a company like Skull Enterprises might be able to custom shorten it for you. I'm not finding an official lowering kit, but given that the Marauder 800 morphed into the Boulevard M50, it's possible that front and back lowering kits for the M50, like the ones I found at ScootWorks, would work on your older model, but I'd call and double check.

Once you've got your lowering in place, you may find that you're not struggling with everything as much, but don't be disappointed in the slow turns still prove to feel like you're going to go over. That's practice! Look where you want to go (not down), don't ever use the front brake, and get that friction zone of the clutch under your control! – Mama

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Wednesday, October 17

More for Deb who is working on seat height/positioning issues:

I also have a Deluxe and am 5’1”.  I had my stock seat cut down so I could flat foot and it did help that.  I have been a trike rider since my 20s (now 55) and could not get used to two wheels so I added a Voyage r system.  To make a long story short, I had to buy a new stock seat because my thighs we r e getting the heat!  Now that I put the stock seat back on I have fewer problems but still get some heat.  I guess I am saying if you can avoid cutting the seat down I would!  If you a r e around Indiana I would be happy to let you t r y my cut down seat. – Jane S. (note from Mama: thanks for sharing your take on things!)

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Thursday, November 1   10% Off Air Suspension Kit

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I had problems reaching the ground, feeling safe enough to control my bike and enjoy the ride. I got the boots with the thick heel. I tried to lower my bike, which left it bottoming out. I even had my seat cut down, and I have one of the lowest cruisers on the market today, the Vulcan 900.. These all seemed to be temporary fixes that never really addressed the problems completely.

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Dear Traci,
I'm so glad you took the time to introduce your company's product as this is a subject that is gaining more attention and readers are curious what the benefits are!

I see the company is currently offering kits for the Kawi VN900, Yami RoadStar and VStars 1100 and 650, as well as the 1999 and earlier HD Softails. I encourage readers to take a look!

I viewed the RoadStar video clip and at first I'm like, what?! The movement of the system was so gradual, but the last seconds of the clip, when the air is released, you could see the bike drop down an appreciable amount. Wow! I've now added air suspension modification to my tips on the Motorcycles for Short Riders list! – Mama

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Thursday, November 29

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am a new rider and have a '07 Sportster Custom. I'm riding every weekend with my husband, he has a Nightster, and keep practicing. I'm having problems with my turns and curves. I think my Sporty is top heavy and was thinking about lowering it. I believe I can lower the front only. I ride my husbands Nightster and feel in total control. Not so much on mine. I get better as the day goes on but think that lowering or even changing the seat might make it more comfortable. What do you think I should do? – Rubyred

Dear Rubyred,
I did a side-by-side comparison (the HD site has a nice online tool for this) and so much between the models is very similar, including things like weight, length, ground clearance, and front wheel rake angle. 

The glaring difference is the seat height, which is about 2" higher on yours. In looking at the stock 2007 models, one can see that the seat shape is also very different ... the Nightster has a much more curved deep seated bucket that keeps your body forward than the Sporty Customs. Take a look at this page and you can run your mouse over the models and just quickly see the bikes without having to click on any one ... you'll see what I'm talking about!

For my money I'd be changing the seat. Ask the dealer if the Nighster seat will fit your model/year, check my Motorcycles for Short Riders list to see what aftermarket seats have been chosen for a change, or shave out part of the existing seat to make it fit your needs better!– Mama

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