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2004Tuesday, January 13 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Lori, Over the winter, check for a motorcycle show in your area -- Motorcycle Events has a nice listing by local areas to assist you. This will allow you to view and sit on different manufacturers bike models and sizes to talk with reps about your height challenges. If there isn't one, then visit showrooms and start yakking with the salespeople! Also, I have a dedicated page for shorter riders, and there you'll see past postings on VTwin Mama. Notice links on this page to specific websites that cater to shorter riders. Lots of support there as well! Good luck and happy learning! We're here for you! – Mama Thursday, February 5 Hey
VTwin Mama, I have all the confidence I know I need to operate the bike successfully, but was just wondering if there are any factors that I need to look out for in getting a larger cc bike. The Fatboy sits in at 1450cc. Like turning, stopping, anything. Any advice to the subject would help. And by the way, you sound like a very warm and lovely person. I think all the stories, tips, and advice are excellent. I'll continue reading and referring. Thanks Mama!! – Armyboy1075 Dear
Armyboy1075, Many riders (men and women) ponder the aspects of moving up to a larger cc bike -- and wonder what the heck they are in for! Congrats on the financials finally allowing you to get your dream bike -- this is truly a wonderful occasion! The answer is, of course, practice. Treat the new, larger cc bike with the respect it deserves -- and it will serve you well. This means that you should find a quiet spot with level, solid ground and plenty of maneuvering room to begin "re-learning" all the basics of riding -- including slow starts in 1st gear, a long enough stretch to get to 2nd, etc., and then stopping smoothly at a pre-designated line (from each of the gears so you get use to the downshift capabilities and nuances), setting up cones (or other markers) to mimic turns, curves and the like. You get my drift. Start slow and learn how the bike responds to all the techniques you'll need in traffic -- before you hit traffic patterns! I can't emphasize the importance of this practice time enough -- it can make all the difference in the world (and the last thing you want to do is be caught in impatient traffic and you're struggling with something). May I also suggest that you learn more about the weight of the bike by having is at a dead stop (and the engine off) and gently leaning it to both sides to see where your own natural limit is on dealing with dead weight. That way it won't catch you by surprise! We wish you a safe return to the States soon -- and by all means -- send us a photo of you and your new bike when it all comes together for you! – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Labella, Hmmmm . . . my first suggestion would be to re-contact those riding courses you did find in your area and ask if any of the instructors give private lessons on the side. You might be pleasantly surprised. Next, consider contacting women's riding groups in our area -- these can be found on my Cool Links page -- send an email or call and see if you might find a mentor among them. Someone to come on over and help you get started by showing you where the basic things on the bike are, etc., getting the bike started and such. If you really want a great video on riding, then you need to get Motorman's "Ride Like a Pro" video. Check my Reading Sources page for this link, as well as good books for reading, excellent magazines to subscribe to and sources for maintenance books that will help you understand the love and care a bike needs! I'm hoping these suggestions will get you started in the right direction. Let us know how it's going! – Mama For Labella who is looking for private riding lessons: First, I'd like to thank you for putting together your web site, I really enjoy it. I am a new rider and feel inspired by the letters that you post. Labella is looking for private lessons and the people that teach at Ride-Chicago.com offered just such lessons. They also have regular classes and you can take your drivers test right on their sight. I went through the regular lessons last July. My husband and I bought a Yamaha Road Star in September and have been enjoying riding together every chance we get. I'm hoping by April I'll be able to skillfully handle her alone. She's a big bike, 1600cc and 750 lbs. Also, I just found out that a distant relative and her husband are opening Harvard Motorsports on March 6th. They will feature lessons for bikes and ATV's. They are also going to have a cafe for people to just drop in, I know I'm going to check it out. You can check them out through the web. Sincerely, – Donna (note from Mama: good news for Chicagoland people! I'm not sure where Labella lives, but if it's anywhere near, this will help. You'll have to give me the website for Harvard Motorsports though, 'cause I couldn't find them in a Google search!) Thursday, March 11 An added note about the new Harvard Motorsports place in Harvard, IL: As to finding Harvard Motorsports on the web, I just typed http://www.harvardmotorsports.com into the address window, and there it was... <big, evil grinnn...> – Dave, husband of Laura (note from Mama: big time EGG on my face! I plead . . . guilty for being such a knucklehead . . . or is that panhead, or because I ride a '76 HD Superglide, shovelhead!) Thursday, March 25 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Ann, I think your plan to start out with a 250cc bike to get your beginning riding experience is an excellent idea, and is very much supported by many women who have taken this exact same path. Sure, you may find that within 6 months you are ready for your next sized bike, but its the 250 that got you there. More importantly, you feel within in your own heart (and gut) that this is the proper course of action, so don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It's not them learning to ride for the first time -- it's you, all you! I don't really have a well-formed opinion on whether the Rebel, GZ or Virago is the better choice -- I'd be looking in the local newspaper for whichever is available used and functional. Still, an upcoming VTwin Mama sister has dreams, so check to see if there is a motorcycle show in your area any time soon by visiting the MotorcycleEvents site. Also, check my Motorcycles for Short Riders list and the Short Riders page -- where women have been posting messages and sharing the make/model bikes they prefer (by height and with added notes). Well worth the reading time. Now, go gather your courage and a great attitude and have a marvelous time this weekend. Don't forget to be prepared to laugh a little -- it'll help you overcome the jitters. – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Some of the "new rider" web sites make it sound like starting out on a bigger bike is the epitome of DUMB. My husband, who's been riding for 25 years and who is a very smart guy, heartily disagrees. His thinking is why buy a 250 you'll be ready to dump in a month or two. My thinking is why not learn on what I want to ride? The class is in May. It's a "women only" session, which I think is a great idea. I'll let you know how it goes. After reading your site, I feel like there are a whole lot of women who will be right there, in spirit, cheering for me! Best regards, – Nancy Craig Dear
Nancy, Here's input from a VTwin Mama sister on the Aero: "I went and checked out the Honda Aero today, it is an "04, two tone-with windshield, luggage rack, and floor boards, it was $7499 TTL included. Very nice bike, didn't test drive it, but sits like a dream." Get ready to have fun! – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, I have a question for you. I live in the Pacific Northwest area, and have noticed more and more ladies riding with their friends and alone. After reading your question and answer section several times I have started to notice a trend in the thinking of the ladies writing in about riding with "the old man," boy friends, etc. It seems while everyone has a good time, sometimes they are intimidated by others riding to fast, expecting them to "keep up with the pack" and various other things that start to take the fun out of the learning process. I have been kicking around the idea of setting up rides of various lengths geared towards lady riders who just want to ride at a "learning pace" with other ladies, (or guys that are in the same place) and have the "safety valve" of an experienced rider along to give them tips and encouragement without the pressure that the aforementioned gentlemen sometimes inadvertently place on them. My girlfriend, and some of the ladies she rides with, think it would be a great idea. They think that the idea of having someone along who knows riding, has the ability to set things up so that if there is a problem, there are rescue avenues already set up, and will give advice and pointers along the way, would make the ride a lot nicer. They have also stated that just the presence of a male along to pickup the occasional dropped bike (without the rolling eyes or smart remarks) would take some of the pressure off, and make it a more pleasant learning experience. I would appreciate any feed back that you and your readers could give me as to what they would like to see in this type of rider adventure. Distance of ride, amenities they would like to see, such as lodging on longer rides, number of stops on rides, etc. As I said, I live in the Puget Sound area of Washington State, so it does rain at times, but we have some really nice riding roads for day rides, and in summer the ride over Chinook Pass to the Yakima area is beautiful for a two or three day trip. The Yakima, Toppenish area has some beautiful back roads that go from winery to winery, (just have to limit the wine tasting, but very nice stops along the ride). I have been riding off and on for over 30 years and have become pretty proficient at helping out beginning riders, and more advanced riders, who just want to have a good time with things set up for them without the hassle of the logistics involved in setting up a longer ride. Thank
you for any help or advice you or your readers could give me. It would be
nice to know if they feel that this is an option that they would like to
see available in their area. Also if they would take advantage of
something like this if it were available. I can be reached at Efairb1031@aol.com.
Dear
Erv, My first question is this: is this something you wish to do as a humanitarian gesture (!) or something you would like to set up as a small business? If it's the first, then I would hop onto my Cool Links page and seek out every women's riding club that has chapters in your area. Then I would email those chapters and introduce yourself and your idea! Remember, they are likely to have experienced riders within their own group, but might welcome the idea of a "ride master" who is willing to set up regularly scheduled rides for different levers (beginners in an empty parking lot, etc.) If it's a small business you're thinking of, I still think it's a great idea -- mainly because so many times women enter a riding course which is in fact a safety course (big difference). In this case, I would file for a small business license, investigate if there are insurance considerations, get listed in your local area's phone books, maybe set up a website, and contact the local women's riding organizations and dealers with a flyer with details of your service. What would constitute the right type of rides? Let your customers guide you. The point, I think, is that standardized courses do little to take into account the needs of the individual. One rider might need one level, while others are ready for something else. This makes me think that an hourly fee is all you would need. Now, let's see what the readers of this site have to add! – Mama Saturday, May 8 For Erv and his idea of setting up nrides for ladies with various levels of experience: I love your idea Erv and would be very willing to pay for this type of service. I am a fairly new rider without many people to ride with. This is exactly the type of thing I am looking for--a way to gain experience in a relatively safe setting with someone along to give pointers/advice, be there just in case, and who knows the appropriate routes. This type of experience would really add to my confidence. It would also be a way for new riders to meet others in their area to ride with in the long term. I have searched my local area (Rochester, MN) for someone willing to give riding instruction/experience but have not found this type of service offered. I would envision several types of rides geared to the fairly new (but licensed and MSF certified) to intermediate level riders. Insurance issues and legal waivers of responsibility for any problems that may occur and perhaps some type of competency test and practice in a parking lot before for going on the road may be needed. I think the fairly new riders would enjoy 1-4 hour rides, with stops at the Dairy Queen etc. in between. The group would need to be quite small for new riders, and you might even consider private instruction. For the more experienced riders, full day trips with stops every couple hours would be great. Longer trips (overnighters) with beverages provided and stops for meals etc. would be excellent. So, I'm hoping you take this idea on the road to
Rochester very soon. – Lynn (note
from Mama: thanks for letting Erv know that his concept is valid and what
you think would be appropriate. I'm sure this will help him further formulate
his ideas!) Dear
VTwin Mama, It was HOT. 100 degrees both days. Miserable. The bike they gave me was an ANCIENT Rebel with starting problems. At one point it wouldn't start at all, they pulled out a Buell and tried to get me used to that, decided we could use the Rebel (fixed it, they said)... had continual problems all weekend with the start button. The neutral light didn't work either. Not a necessary functionality, but would have been nice for a beginner like me. I believe mechanical problems should not have been part of this already overwhelming experience... a lot of additional stress added to the mix. I was wearing the wrong boots! They have a large toe box with a large lug sole and I had a lot of problem getting the boot under the shifter. My fault, should have anticipated it. Considering the ambient problems, I did okay on everything in practice. Then test time came... The "OH MY GAWD IT'S A TEST!!!!!" gremlins crawled into my brain and I rode like a blithering idiot who had no business on a motorcycle. Three of the six women in our class failed. I was not particularly impressed with the instructors, not blaming them, but felt they could have been more supportive and encouraging. There was a bit of negativity that impacted my confidence, I think. So, I cried a little... but I'm NOT giving up! I'm gonna practice practice practice and re-test and PASS!!! Warmest regards, – Nancy in Phoenix Dear
Nancy, So there you have it! It happens! The great thing about learning is that it never really ends -- and now you have the basic pieces as to what is required, but you'll be checking things out before the next course (equipment readiness to begin with!), your own gear and maybe meeting your instructors before hand. After all, this class is for YOU. I have no doubt that your next attempt will be met with success, as many women have written to say that they too didn't make it through the first time due to a similar set of things. So, of course you're not giving up -- achieving your dream is right around the corner! But crying a little for the first one is ok. Really. – Mama Sunday, May 30 For Nancy who didn't pass her course on the first time around: Great Site! I check here often. Keeps reminding that I am not alone in my quest to ride my own bike. This is for Nancy in Phx. Did not pass her class. I know how upsetting that can be. I also took the class in Phx. That was four years ago. They were not women friendly then either. Left in tears the first day. Then with lots of support from husband, sister & brother-in-law, got my first bike, a VStar 650. Great bike! After a year of riding (on a permit) took the class & passed. You really need some experience on a bike before you take the class. Not that you can't pass the first time, but nothing makes up for the time you put in actual riding. So keep trying! – Liz in Phoenix (note from Mama: thanks for the message of support!) I too live in Phoenix and am wondering where she took her class. I went to Team Arizona where they had male and female instructors. The female instructor - named Kelly Higgonbothen (sp) was excellent. They cut one of the female students the first day of bike riding, but in their defense, they really tried to help her. She just needed some basic bicycling skills and needed to mentally go thru the shifting process. Hubby bought me a '74 350 Honda dual sport, we got it licensed and I rode it around the yard and in the desert. This helped tremendously with the whole shifting thing. The bike only cost $500 and was cheap instruction as far as we were concerned. If I had to I knew I could just jump off it and let it go. I blew part of the test, too - the figure 8 in the
box.........I was doing in fine in practice but the gremlins got me when I
had to do it for the test. Still passed the first time thru though. I
started out on a '98 VStar and am now riding an '87 Heritage. Good Luck to
Nancy - next time will be a piece of cake - now she knows exactly what to
expect. Grins and Growls,
– Paula (note
from Mama: I agree that having a smaller bike for practice is a good idea,
but your added thought that if you can dump it and not worry about the
paint job, is a good point!) Tuesday, June 1 Dear
VTwin Mama, http://www.motorcyclesafety.org/pages/home.html – Tracey in Lowell, MA Dear
Tracey, Thanks for the great link -- I used it as my Cool Link in one of my last Newsletters! I found the site to offer great material for new and advanced riders alike. Totally wonderful! – Mama Wednesday, June 2 For Nancy who didn't pass her course on the first time around: Hey, I do have to start out with "This is the Best site." It and VTwin Mama have been enormously helpful and encouraging. I've had my license for a year now and slowly but surely have gotten out there. I also didn't pass the MSF course in Phoenix the first time I took it (this is not a trend....the instruction at Team Arizona is very good). Had a nerve-wracking weekend, then when it came time for the test and the instructor (I had Kelly too) said start your engines, the skies opened up, pouring down rain. It also didn't help that one of the women in my class was a news reporter and they were filming us part of the time. I really didn't have the confidence that I would pass before the test began, then dropped the bike on the figure 8. I was done, which was almost a relief, but I was very disappointed. My only complaint was that we didn't get much feedback on our technique, or lack thereof. No one would tell me what I did wrong, but it did come to me hours later. That proves that they gave me the information, but I needed to process it. Anyway, what I did was schedule a private lesson. I knew I needed more practice time. There is, of course, a charge and if you book 2 hours, they will test you right then and there. I had Paul for that and he was excellent. There wasn't a group of people watching, which lessened my anxiety. He had me doing tight turns and figure 8's in no time. It was so well worth it. Got my bike, '99 650 V-Star (love it, love it, love it!!) within the next few weeks and my husband rode it to a parking lot for practice. Took a lot for me to get on the road, then summer hit and I wasn't ready to brave the heat and the cars so I stayed off for a while. Now recently, I've been venturing out alone. Like I said, slow and sure, but its my comfort and confidence level. I am very fortunate also to have a very supportive husband. I'm sure he was frustrated by my constant questions...'How do you....? What if this happens?....etc, but he was always helpful and supportive. One important piece of advice that my instructor, Kelly, gave is...make sure you have had something to eat . . . keep that blood sugar up, and stay hydrated. Gotta keep those brain cells firing!! Good luck next time, Nancy. I know you will do it!! – Annie in Phoenix (note from Mama: I think you were incredibly wise to seek out private instruction -- what a difference it made. To credit the "bigger" classes, they can only do so much in the allotted time. Your added notes on staying hydrated and with food in your tummy made a lot of sense as well! Thanks for sharing your own personal beginning journey -- it's letters like these that help other new riders realize that they too can do it!) Tuesday, June 8 Dear
VTwin Mama, I got there (MSF Class) at 7:30 - before the class arrived, and stayed for the whole class. I watched them go through the same exercises I would be tested on (again) and waited - in the rain - for my turn. When they broke for lunch a guy came over for a re-test, and it was just the two of us, the two instructors, his girl, and my best pal Donna. They sent us through the S-box again and again, and finally I said to the instructor - screw the S-box - I'll eat the 8 points, I'm never going to get this and it's just making me nervous. Well, I passed the rest by the skin of my teeth - but I passed. Don't worry out there - I won't be on the road for a while - I'm going to take it slow and practice a lot in parking lots (once I get my bike). It seems every bike shop in the area is selling monsters and crotch-rockets so there aren't many 250's to be found. I located one place with Suzuki GZ520s and Rebel 250s so I am going there to check them out. I know the Suzuki - that was what we used in class. The instructor recommended the Suzuki, - but I am going back to the comparison links on this site before I make up my mind. Now I just have to break the news to Attilla the Husband. His latest -- he won't go bike shopping with me because he doesn't believe in assisted suicide.... – Annie B. Dear
Annie, Friday, June 11 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Teresa, Your height does pose special challenges, but none that cannot be managed. Begin your education by reading my Short Riders page were women like yourself discuss their concerns and solutions. Then, contact local chapters of women's riding organizations to begin meeting women riders who can offer a world of knowledge and support. You'll be glad you did this! Hop onto my Cool Links page, and at the top, you'll find their logos and links to specific sites. I received this letter from Cindy Meyers which I think will also be a huge benefit to you and every other new rider out there (I thought I had this link on my site, but just added it): "I enjoy your site daily and have posted a couple of times and would like to share a site that would be helpful to other new women riders. It is: www.beginnerbikes.com. I don't know if you have ever seen the site, but it was very helpful to me when I started riding and there is also a forum for women of which I help moderate. There is a wealth of information there and we would be more than happy for you to add our link to your site." -- Cindy, BeginnerBikes Team Member Now this sounds like a place you should visit! Good luck in pursing your dream -- you can do it and we look forward to hearing about your progress! – Mama Friday, June 11 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Bev, I'm not sure what the delivery options are for overseas people (from the likes of Amazon and such), but there are a number of great books to read and even a video for women who wish to improve their skills. Check my Reading Sources page for ideas! If you could get your hands on one of the books, this might be an excellent way for you and your husband to review important points of riding, discuss them, and put into action what you're learning (or re-reviewing). A way to deepen the experience in a place with no formal training options! Stay safe in Cyrus -- I'd love to hear what the official "swear" words are in their language that might come in handy here in the States (so much more fun than swearing in your own language!). – Mama More for Sarah (and anyone) who is trying to master figure 8's: For Sarah, Sue, Karen, Kristie and any others that dread Limited Space Maneuvers a.k.a. (dramatic music please) “The BOX”. No, in real life riding we’ll probable never do tight figure 8’s, but we are faced with tight U-turns not always to the left or always to the right, thus the practice at going both directions producing a figure 8. “The Box” for those of you that don’t know is actually a rectangle. It’s tested at 20’x 60’. But we start the students at 24’x 60’, telling them to work down at their own pace. That’s for bikes UNDER 500cc. For the ERC or bikes over 500cc’s the students get to test at 24’x 70’ working down from 28’x 70’. The point of riding “the box” is to learn a new riding technique or a combination of techniques. I have my assistant coach ride the demo using all of methods available for the students to experiment with while using counter weighting. And to find which method works for them. Could be, first gear and feathering the clutch (friction zone), could be first gear, no clutch work and dragging the rear brake, or a combination of both friction zone AND rear brake. Could be second gear with rear brake or second gear with no clutch or brake, because the throttle is less ‘jerky’ in second. With ALL these methods, counter weighting is the one technique they are urged to learn. However I’ve see students ride it on sheer balance alone. And like everything thing else, turning your head and looking where you want to be, is key. And that doesn’t include looking down at the ground or lines (bike goes where ya look... and that includes down...remember?) But the point that I make as a coach is that THEY need to find what works for them. Like picking up a dropped bike, it’s technique more than strength that works best in getting around those tight turns. I know this to be true because I can ride my Intruder 1400 through the 20’x 60’ with room to spare. (Counter-weighting, 1st gear, friction zone with a tad of rear brake) and there is a limit to my upper body strength. Truthfully I think the biggest key in getting through “the box” is confidence. Ride into that thing BELIEVING you can do it. Next is to trust yourself AND the bike. So many times I hear “I can’t do it” before they’ve even tried and the self-prophecy comes true. How many things have you succeeded at something by starting out with “I can’t do this”? Believe in yourself. We do. – HammerLady (note from Mama: thank you for taking the time to share more details about what the box actually entails -- it's helpful to hear from a seasoned instructor like yourself on the finer points with an added "can do" spirit!) Just a quick note about the figure-8 on the test, in case it helps anyone (it sure helped me). The second time I took the MSF class, the instructors told us that it wasn't a test-killer because you can only lose 8 points. This much we know, because it was just mentioned by one of your readers. However, one of the instructors told me aside that they can score 5 points for going out of the box and/or 5 points for putting a foot down (the max. being 8). She told me that I should go out of the box if I had to, but don't put a foot down. I went waaaaaay out of the box on the second turn but the foot never went down, so I only lost 5 points. – Linda Carruth (note from Mama: this seems like a dignified solution for anyone who wants to pass but realizes that figure 8's are going to take more practice!) Tuesday, June 15 Dear
VTwin Mama, I went for the course and out on the range picked a bike with the license plate - MATTHEW as is my son's name. Well, I fought and fought with that bike. Can't remember make. Throttle so touchy if you moved it a tinge would surge. Not good in all those slow riding exercises. On second day I developed a severe stomach problem due to antibiotics I was on and had to leave 2 hrs shy of finishing. ( Lost 2 lbs that day). I went back to finish last day riding/test and they put me on MATTHEW again. Well, my heart sank. THEN the lady instructor ( I did not have her the first go around) changed me to an Eliminator and told me it was more forgiving. SO right she was!! I had a blast instead of trying to fight with Matthew all day. SO ladies, if possible find out the bikes your MSF class uses then research on their handling. Maybe you will avoid getting a Matthew. They allowed us to pick a bike first day on range. Can't guarantee you will get what you want or hope for, but at least you will have a bit of knowledge about particular bikes. Thanks to all who responded with the excellent instructions on doing the figure 8s. – Susan Elliott Dear
Susan, Dear
VTwin Mama, I have watched it once so far. I am currently collecting cans to paint orange to use as markers and will look for a parking lot that I can practice the techniques. There are practical real life applications to these techniques. Yeah! There's hope. It will take practice which in my m/c course they said, that every time we're out there it is practice - we never arrive. Enjoy your newsletter. – Cecilia Eckerson Dear
Cecilia, For Cecilia who got the Ride Like a Pro for the Ladies video and is getting ready to practice: Please caution Cecilia about using cans painted orange as markers for parking lot practice. Cans will not be very nice to run over and cut metal is nasty to hands and tires. Tennis balls work better - they can be abused and will not fight back. – Pat (note from Mama: thanks for pointing this out -- very useful advice. I have such a vivid image in my head of tennis balls rising in protest and pelting her when she misses the mark! Ok, I'm weird.) OK, one more time.... tennis balls cut in half. Now, the image of someone setting up whole balls and running over them is quite amusing: they WOULD fight back - probably fling themselves and attempt to attack the rider. Well, actually, the tennis balls do not fight back... they lay there and mumble, groan and otherwise protest but do not fall apart at the seams as do the cans. Cans protest jaggedly, balls just play dead. – Pat (note from Mama: we are just having WAY to much fun with the tennis ball thing!) Monday, June 21 For Cecilia who got the Ride Like a Pro for the Ladies video and is getting ready to practice: When I was first learning to ride, my husband bought red plastic drink cups to use as cones on the practice course he set up. They worked great .... were not expensive...and not dangerous if you accidentally rode over one. Hugs, – Bootygrandma, aka Betty (note from Mama: so many cones, so little time!) Tuesday, June 22 I have a question about the tennis ball thing. I heard or read somewhere about using those red plastic disposable drink cups for cones, and I was going to try that. But then, I thought that on the off chance one of my skinny tires would "catch" one and roll over it, I might lose traction and have a tire slide out. Those rubbery little cones they use in the classes are perfect (if expensive and hard to find) because you don't lose traction rolling over them. So how do the "tennis balls cut in half" fare in this respect? Would they likely slip? – Linda Carruth (note from Mama: thanks for the support to Annie B. In regard to your questions about the use of tennis balls and drink cups, I'm thinking that they both squish and/or move so easily that they should pose no problem if your bike decides to aim (!) straight for them. Let's see if Pat or Betty read this and have more to add about their perspective use of these alternatives to cones.) Thursday, June 24 Dear
VTwin Mama, Next, with all the discussion of cut in half tennis balls, plastic cups etc. for practicing, did you know you can actually buy those fun little cones we use on the range? You can find them at the MSF site for just $1.50 each. 10 of them should be plenty for parking lot practice. Here's the link: https://store.msf-usa.org/index.asp. If anyone wants to know the measurements for any one of the BRC exercises, they are welcome to contact me, either by e-mail or on ShinnySideUp and I'd be happy to pass on the information. – HammerLady Dear
HammerLady, Monday, July 19 Hi
Petra, Dear
Kathy, Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sue, The Goldwing Trike sounds juicy! Old dogs (harrumph) can learn new tricks best by finding a private instructor. Check with local dealers or locate the nearest riding/safety course and ask if anyone offers personal instruction. Or, visit my Cool Links page to locate women’s riding organizations. Contact a local chapter for support, guidance and sistership. Sounds like it might be just the ticket at this point in life. You’ll be able to share your new riding experience with others who also share and care. – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, I live in the wonderful island of Puerto Rico, and until now I had no reason to regret the fact that it is an ISLAND (no easy access to what sounds like the unending adventures on your highways, long roads, and specially other serious women interested in riding) ... As many 40 something girls, I am trying to get into riding, bought a 1988 Honda 650 to learn, fell and injured my left elbow (now recovered), and am debating if I should maybe go down to a scooter (150 or bigger) to get the basic riding skills or insist on the 650 (I haven't considered a smaller bike given that it would be very hard to sell later). I guess its normal to be scared after the fall, specially given that it was only my second time on the bike, (and it was due also for trying to learn around the hills and small roads of my area). I would very much appreciate your opinion. – Margo in PR Dear
Margo, And windy and curvy, which isn’t
very helpful to someone trying to learn! Yes, it’s normal to be scared
after your first fall, but not to worry . . . let’s noodle out an idea
to help! Given that it would be difficult to
sell the bike, my suggestion is this: there must be some area nearby that
has a relatively straight, open area. Do you work? Does the company have a
parking lot? Would they let you keep the bike there overnight so you could
hop on it and practice until such time that you’re ready to bring it
home? If so, then have someone get that bike over there and then begin
practice. You need a clear area with no obstacles so that practice is
productive. Tuesday, July 27 For Sue whose husband died but she wants to ride the Goldwing by herself: Really sorry about your husband. Have you checked out the Goldwing Club in your area? Go to www.gwrra.org. You will find lots of helpful people there. You can ride that Wing! – Liz in Phoenix (note from Mama: thanks for the helpful site tip -- support from experienced Goldwing riders would be very useful.) Friday, August 6 Dear
VTwin Mama, Although
some portions of the class moved rather slowly, we had made our goal to
absorb everything we could in the three day class. The temps on the
motorcycle range were 100 to 102 degrees with full sun.
Believe me, it was HOT!! On
completion and passing of the course we had taken away a new sense of
safety awareness, foundational maneuvering cycle skills and a heightened,
but not arrogant self confidence. Mostly,
we know that there is more to learn, experience on the road is the true
teacher and to use the defensive skills we learn to better assure our
ability to achieve that experience. What a great investment of our money
and time. Dear
Kerry, Tuesday, August 10 Dear
VTwin Mama, I am now 52 and was 51 when I started this adventure (I am 5'2 and 130lbs) . My bike had 700 miles on her when I bought her and now she has 2500. I didn't even get my license until June the 4th. I am non-stop. I am single and a mom of a 15 year old daughter. Her dad died a few years ago so it is just us, and I wanted to be as safe as possible out there. I have ridden with other bikes and believe me, you can certainly tell those that have not taken the course. I like riding with safe people but I also love riding alone. Getting and learning how to ride this Sportster is the best thing that I have ever done for myself. Don't ever think you are too old, too short, etc. to fulfill your dream. It feels so good out there. Thank-you for this awesome website and all the support during my journey. I have since joined my local chapter of Ladies of Harley and have met so many great people. All I can say is take to course, be safe and above all, follow your dreams! Thank you Mama! – Cissi Dear
Cissi, Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sharon, I think your best bet is to contact the safety schools, introduce yourself, and ask if any of the certified, qualified instructors provide private lessons on the side. I’m sure this is not the first time they will have been asked this, and if they don’t, they might be able to point you in the right direction. Here in the States, many of the dealerships offer their own riding classes, so again, this might be a call you could make to see if a dealership offers courses, and if private lessons are possible. As a possible third course of action, what riding organizations are located in your area, both women-focused and general? It’s possible that someone within these clubs would be able to assist in your quest to ride again. Good luck and heal fast! – MamaSunday, August 22 For Margo in PR who is learning in hilly terrain: A good thing to wear so you don't hurt your arms if you fall is a mesh summer weight jacket with body armor. I fell with my bike *at a stop sign thou* and I landed on my arm but felt nothing as my jacket helped pad the fall. I learned how to ride in a empty church parking lot. But do what ever works best for you. Good luck in your search , and ride to live, live to ride !! – Tara (note from Mama: the right gear can make the difference even in "no speed" oopsies!) For Sharon who is looking for private motorcycle instruction: I’m a new member and I must tell you that your site has been the most helpful in learning about all things motorcycles and has given me the determination to keep going even when I thought I would never learn to ride. You are awe inspiring and your site, your newsletters, and all the gazillion vtwin mamas are just plain awesome! I’d like to comment on Sharon’s letter about the availability of private motorcycle instructions. I too at 47 years of age took the required motorcycle riding classes (MSF classes do not apply in this province) and failed miserably. Too many students in the class most of whom had been riding scooters for the last few years, very little time to practice new skills before adding new ones etc. We were two women in their 40s on this course. The course was to last a total of 18 hours, they failed us both after 8. I was ticked off to say the least but undeterred. I proceeded to call driving schools to find one that offered private lessons. They are few and far between but I did find one. I learned in 1 hour with my private instructor what 8 hours of standard class could not teach me. Most importantly I was not pressured, my fears were accepted and were worked on gradually and my confidence grew by leaps and bounds with each lesson. After 4 one hour lessons ($50 CDN per hour), and with my instructor’s blessing, I felt at ease enough to purchase my first bike - a Honda VLX 600. I’ll be taking it out on the road by month’s end. Please tell Sharon to call automobile driving schools. They sometimes offer motorcycle classes that may not be officially advertised. Also please tell her to call different offices of the same school. Each office is usually owned separately and while one location might not offer motorcycle courses the next location might. On an interesting note, most private lessons were taken by women in their 40s and 50s. All of them with stories similar to mine. My instructor’s location is near the Ontario/Quebec border so if Sharon is located near highway 401 that crosses that border, I’d be happy to provide her with the details. Ride safe. – Hélène (it’s pronounced A-LEN) (note from Mama: congrats on your own awesome adventure in riding and what an amazing suggestion! It broadens the search so that there is a better chance for finding someone to help. You're a peach for sharing and BTW, LOVE your name! What many people don't know is that my name is actually pronounced Pay-Tra!) Tuesday, August 24 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Renee, I want to take this opportunity to once again point out to readers that a very wise VTwin Mama sister, HammerLady, a certified course instructor herself, wrote a tremendous letter chronicling the difference between riding courses and safety courses. Two different animals. We've heard time and time again at this site the disappointment in women who took a safety course thinking they would receive beginning riding lessons. They do, to some extent, but read the letter again. On my Reading Sources page, I list a number of books recommended by women that are quite complete in their overview and specific knowledge on the art of riding a motorcycle. And then there is the Ride Like a Pro video and the new offshoot version, Riding Like a Pro for the Ladies. Very useful for people who learn better by watching. – Mama Tuesday, August 24 Dear
VTwin Mama, About the road test, I was concerned about which bike to use; a 125cc Honda-something or a beat-up 1987 Rebel (because I had one at home, although it's a 2004) On the day of the test, the Rebel was not out so I thought, "Oh well, guess I'll use the 125" The instructor must have noticed that I wasn't comfortable. I passed the first part of the test, but at the break, he told me to track down the Rebel for the second part of the test. He had told me the week before that no one had passed the test on the Rebel in the 11 yrs he had been teaching the class. What a confidence booster! So I hopped on the Rebel and aced the cones, swerving suddenly, stopping on a curve, etc. And I was the first one to pass on the Rebel! Since then I have put 300 miles on my little bike since July 29. My husband is so excited about how well I'm doing. He said that he would rather ride with me than half the guys he knows who have experience. Smart man! He's having his 1997 Shadow Ace 1100cc lowered and gone over so I can take it out. I'm nervous about it, but excited at the same time. I'll keep you posted. – Kathy D. Dear
Kathy, Wednesday, August 25 Dear
VTwin Mama, Anyway, I took the motorcycle class and passed. The instructors were great. They made us all feel like we were family. I really thought I had failed the test but I continued on doing the best I could do and passed it. It really doesn't require a lot to pass it. I was so nervous about it that I totally messed up 2 out of three of the tests. With only one part to go I was absolutely sure I had failed. That relaxed me as I then thought to myself, okay I have already failed so I might just as well finish the test gracefully and join the others. I passed that part and I only had to have one out of three to pass. I can now do the other two things but my nerves got in the way on the test. I am a person who if you say this is a "test" I can't remember my name. There were 15 of us split up into 2 groups. One of the guys dropped a bike on one of the practices. He didn't get hurt and everyone assured him it could have just as easily been them. Out of the 15 only one lady failed. She had never been on a bike before but the problem was her nerves. She let her nerves get the best of her. These instructors want you to pass and they do everything they can to help you to do just that. I had a really good time. I learned things that I never knew and so did my husband who has rode for 40 years. I also got a little bit of my confidence back on my maneuvers, and on a bike, a little is a lot. Go for it Ladies and have a good time. – Bonnie Dear
Bonnie, Tuesday, August 31 Dear
VTwin Mama, Well the second day in the class the instructor basically accused me of being stupid, told me I didn't know how to use the throttle and to stop playing with it. I told him I didn't think I was. I ignored his comment, asked him what I was doing wrong and asked him to teach me. On the next turn (at 15 miles an hour) the throttle completely broke. Even though I didn't drop the bike, didn't get hurt and was able to stop the bike, I felt like it was all my fault, but the other riders in the class told me that everything that I was doing wrong (well mostly everything) was because the bike's clutch and throttle were messed up. The instructors didn't even acknowledge that the bike was a lot of my problem. They didn't even ask if I was okay. They didn't even acknowledge that I didn't freak out and drop the bike. I didn't get discouraged. I felt like I was holding up the class. I was the only one in the BEGINNER'S class that had never ridden a motorcycle before. Yet, instead of taking me aside and teaching me the right way to do it, we went to the next exercise, because the rest of the class could do it. They told me at the rate the class was moving, I wasn't going to pass the class and suggested I take it all over again and learn how to use the clutch and throttle properly. I left the class. Went home and got on my boyfriend's bike and did everything perfect. Believe me, I respect motorcycles and wouldn't get on a bike and ride on a highway without feeling confident. I have my learners and am going to take the test directly through the DMV. What I am trying to say is that the class is a great place to learn to ride, but if you get some jerks for instructors, like I did, or a bad bike, like I did, don't get discouraged. Don't let them try to convince you that you can't ride. If I didn't have a supportive boyfriend, I would have thought I was one of those people that just couldn't ride. Keep the faith, practice and you can do it. – Debra Dear
Debra, In hindsight, it might have been appropriate to ask the instructor to try another bike, even temporarily, to see if you were experiencing the same thing. This is a lesson for women reading this and considering taking a class. Your instructors are knowledgeable people, but if you suspect something is amiss, say so and demand corrective action, or get your money back and try another course if possible. Slipshod instruction should not be tolerated. I am glad to hear that you had support in understanding that it wasn't you, but the bike. Did you report all of this to the head of the course? If the course was part of a national organization, you might want to hop on their homepage, check the contact page, and write in to headquarters with your grievance. After all, if it happened to you, it's likely someone else will be treated this way, someone who will come away from the experience thinking she can't ride. – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Deborah, Taking a motorcycle riding course would be an excellent first step for you. And as you have your heart set on a Harley, be aware that many Harley dealers offer riding instruction classes, so call up and see! If not, they will know what courses are offered in your area. You may need to wait for Springtime however, but signing up now is a good idea as these courses fill quickly. Meanwhile, how about checking for a motorcycle show near you during the upcoming winter months when many "all in one" shows are held. This would give you an opportunity to see many bikes in one place and begin your shopping. Check the Motorcycle Events site for listings. If you are an avid reader, then you'll also benefit by picking up a book on the subject of riding . . . which chronicles many of the challenges you will face. My Reading Sources page has a number of recommended books. This way you'll feel like you're getting started already! I think you might also enjoy checking out my Cool Links page, which lists a Beginner Bike site (lots of useful information here) as well as the many women's riding organizations. Although you don't have a bike yet, why not meet women who do who can help guide you! Good luck and have fun! – Mama Saturday, September 25 For Deborah who is starting out at 51: Hi Deborah, I want to say go for it. I just turned 50 . . . yikes! I know how you feel. I'm taking my MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course this weekend. I'm excited to get the ball rolling. There are many great sites for the beginner biker. Check out Mama's links. I've also have read many bike reviews by women on these sites to see what their riding. I also want a Harley, but to start, I'm gravitating towards the Yamaha VStar 650 Custom. A lot of woman have them and love them. I also got the "Ladies Ride Like a Pro" video. This is a great video for showing skills for riding slow and all the women are riding big bikes. I would suggest starting to do research on Harleys if that's what you want and read other woman's reviews on them. Good luck, and I'll let you all know how my class experience goes. Bye. – Vivian Patterson (note from Mama: thanks for sharing that the 50s is a perfectly good time to start working on the dream of riding a motorcycle! You yourself are taking some great steps in beginning your own adventure and I applaud you for that. Good luck in your course!) Monday, September 27 More for Deborah who is starting out at 51: I would just like to encourage Deborah to follow her dream at the "young" age of 51. I am 63, will be 64 in one week, and have completed my beginner rider training just 2 weeks ago. I also bought a Honda Shadow Spirit 750 the week before the class. I used to ride a small Honda dirt bike probably about 30 years ago, that was the extent of my experience with bikes besides riding pillion on my husbands 2 bikes. In January of this year our daughter took a class and bought a bike. My husband was drooling over it and I encouraged him to also buy one thinking I would love to ride as a passenger again. Needless to say I got the urge to "do it myself." So, with my daughter's and husband's encouragement I went for it. I passed my class on the first attempt. I am still practicing the things that I learned in the class in parking lots for right now but have an appointment with the DMV to upgrade my license on Monday. After that I will be street legal and can practice in the neighborhood till I feel comfortable riding in traffic. I think it is very important to hone your skills before attempting to ride in traffic. Taking a beginner bike class will only teach you the basics and certify you to practice, practice, practice till you get real comfortable in handling that beast under you LOL I have had my good days and bad days practicing but it is getting better and better. My son, who rides my bike to the parking lot, said yesterday that I am doing well and will be ready for my street practice when I get my license on Monday. This has been a challenging and fun adventure so far. I am so looking forward to a "real" ride with my husband and daughter in the near future. – Irmi (note from Mama: thanks for sharing your own adventure in support of Deborah . . . you exemplify the "can do" spirit that is in all of us, although some of us need a little help getting the "can do" out!) Dear
V-T Mama, I would like to add one other element that I think is important for us beginners. I find after riding for a while I have spent so much nervous energy being sure that I am making my corners correctly, watching for cars, etc. that I am tired much sooner than I expect to be. Then I start making dumb mistakes. I quickly learned yesterday that I should have headed home ½ hour earlier. I was having so much fun that I didn’t realize how tired, hungry and dehydrated I had become. Fortunately, I made it home ok, but not without two near misses. Needless to say, I will head home earlier in the future – or at least take a break before heading on. By the way, I am 57 and have met so many women my age that have only been riding a short time. My friends are either aghast that I would be so daring or they are extremely supportive. For those that fear for my life, I try to remember that they don’t realize how much time and effort I have put into learning and staying safe to minimize the risks. Thanks for all the effort you put into your website. I love it. There is so much information and so many practical tips. – Carol Dear
Carol, Thursday, September 30 Even more for Deborah who is starting out at 51: Well, I started at 51 also. I took the course (MSF) in April. Did not pass. Retook it June 4th. Passed with flying colors. Bought my Harley Sportster 883 in April before I even had my license. A Harley was the only choice for me. She is a 2002 Sportster and at that time had 738 miles. Now, not quite 4 months later, she has 3200 miles. I love it. I am proud of myself for accomplishing my dream at the age of 51. Take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation Course. I had never operated a bike until the age of 51. It can be done and that is the place to start. Don't let your neighbors, friends or family try to each you. Its not that they aren't knowledgeable, it just better to have a neutral person give instruction. Less emotions involved. Congratulation and don't give up your goal!...It is so worth it! – Cissi (note from Mama: what a wonderful letter of support! I am soooo proud of your own adventure in riding . . . wowee zowee!) I took the MSF course this last weekend and what a blast.....I passed yeh!!!!!!. I would recommend the course to everyone who is thinking of getting a bike. There is so much to learn. It was a reality check for me. It's so cool to see everyone riding their big beautiful bikes around, but it's going to take awhile to get there. I realized taking the class that practice, practice, practice is sooooo important. Getting to the point where everything is second nature is the goal, before getting out on the road. The first night we studied the book and the next 2 afternoon's were on the bikes. 5 hours on and off the bikes. It was fun, exciting and exhausting in a good way. My legs and stomach even got a little sore and I work out. I rode a hefty 125cc bike. It was perfect size and wasn't intimidating at all. I did drop my bike making a slow turn to get back in line. I grabbed the front brake and down she went. I was not hurt, but it was a wake up call. It can happen fast. I was thinking of getting a V-Star 650 but I may start out on a small bike and ride around my neighborhood until I've honed my skills. I'm planning on getting a bike soon so by spring or sooner I'll be out on the road. I live in southern California so we have a long riding season. Good luck Deborah -- go for it and let us know how you do. Newbie rider, – Vivian Patterson (note from Mama: congratulations not only for passing the course, but from actually learning important lessons along the way! No, I don't mean the mechanics of riding, but figuring out that practice is your key, riding your own ride is essential, choosing the first bike size must meet your needs and not satisfy anyone else and realizing that patience is a virtue! Way to go . . . I think Deborah can clearly see that she is in good company and NOT ALONE!) I wrote in several months ago wanting to learn how to ride my late husbands trike. VTwin Mama gave me not only helpful advice but the encouragement I needed at that time. I got my license on my 51st birthday. You are only as old as you feel (you go girl). Since then I have joined a Goldwing Chapter and found many friends that are very supportive and fun. All I can say to any women out there is follow your dreams and make the most of life. – Sue (note from Mama: I just wanted to cry with delight upon receiving your letter of support to Deborah! It makes my heart glad to hear that you are accomplishing your goals, meeting supportive people, and finding your way along life's rocky road. That you got your license on the 51st BDay is just icing on the cake. And I'm glad that my site was able to point out some pathways for you . . . I see Liz's suggestion of finding the Goldwing chapter near you was a winner!) Saturday, October 2 For Carol who wrote in about the importance of not getting over tired: This is in response to Carol who suggested another element to watch for in addition to practice: tiredness. I've been riding for almost 2 years and take short breaks (ha, 4 months) because of the intense heat in our AZ desert. Now that it's cooler, I'm riding again but also have to watch that tiredness element as I consider myself a new rider again. Amazing how much we forget! But, with lots of practice, practice, practice, that tiredness starts fading. Am looking forward to at least 7 months of riding through the winter! Really, it's cooling "down to" 95 this weekend!! Keep riding Carol! I'm 52 and love my 2003 Yamaha V-Star 1100! – Barbara in Queen Creek, AZ (note from Mama: yes, I agree that new riders will find that over time, they will become less fatigued because the actual mechanics of riding become more second nature. Still, as a veteran rider, I guard against fatigue all the time . . . monotonous long road stretches, heavy traffic patterns and the like will do it as well! And kudos to your own excellent riding adventure!) Dear
VTwin Mama, Since I had never ridden a bike before, but I own a Kawi, I was nervous. His constant yelling at me that I was going to crash if I kept riding like I was just made me more nervous. In fact it made me dump the bike. After two hours of trying to ride he suggested that this class wasn't for me and I should leave, which I did. He kept asking me my age (I'm 54). What does that have to do with a desire to learn to ride? I doubt I'll ever sign up for another MOST class, I'll just look elsewhere for instruction. I was glad to see that like Judy and other writers that I wasn't alone in being booted from a class. Enjoy your website! – Booted in Colorado Dear
Booted, Age, as you are also well aware, has nothing to do with anything! We have had many letters at this site from women up into their 70s who have learned to ride. So, now, what is your plan of attack to continue your journey? May I suggest that you contact a local chapter of one of the many women's riding organizations available?! You would be able to speak to veteran women riders who could point you the right direction for new instruction, etc. and enable you to form a support group . . . something some new riders appreciate. It's a thought! – Mama Wednesday, October 13 For Booted who had an icky instructor and didn't get to complete the riding course: Sounds like
you had the instructor from h*ll... What a jerk!
I have read many postings here and elsewhere by MSF instructors who say
this kind of behavior is completely unacceptable and should be reported to
this weenie's boss. Don't give
up! I'm starting at age 51 and
also had a difficult MSF experience with instructors who were "less than
encouraging." I totally
messed up the test and didn't pass. I
walked out of there questioning myself, completely discouraged, should I
really be doing this, etc. That
was in May. I'm not a giving up
kind of gal, so I got my learner's permit and headed for the parking lot.
Spent a LOT of time in that parking lot.
Now I'm out on the road, usually on weekend mornings early, when
there's not a lot of traffic. And
still off and on in my beloved parking lot. The more I
ride the better it feels. I'm
proud of myself, and proud of you too!
How many other women our age do you know who are embarking on such an
adventure? You go, girl... we're
all with you. And most
importantly, relax and have fun! Thursday, October 14 More for Booted who had an instructor from H E double toothpicks: I also had a instructor from H***. I took my Safety Course at a military base here in Nova Scotia and one of the instructors was a female Army officer. (I am not military and I am 52 years old). I also had never rode a bike before but this one took an instant dislike for me and screamed at me every time I went to do whatever part of the course she happened to be at the time. This too made me so nervous that I would mess up even more. Thank God the other two instructors who happened to be male took me aside to say that when I was on my own practicing, I was doing everything perfect, and to try and settle down. I was determined that this B * T * H was not going to drive me to quit and went back the next day and by the skin of my teeth I passed the course. That was the end of August and I get out as much as I can and love every minute of it. So keep on plugging because you will make it. – Suzette (note from Mama: now that's the spirit . . . and thank goodness you had the support necessary to keep your eye on the prize! I am soooo proud of you and glad to hear that you're enjoying your adventure in riding. Booted can only gather strength and courage from this message of support!) Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Kysa, I rang the academy of Off Road Riding in Sydney and they do not have any branches in Western Australia. Then I rang Andy Wigan, the editor of Australasian Dirt Bike Magazine. Andy was also unable to find anyone doing off road bike courses in W.A. Andy and I tossed a few ideas about and came to following conclusion...Kysa, you need to contact a local trail/enduro/motocross club near you and tell them you wish to join and that you need someone to teach you the skills of off road riding. I am sure they will be more than happy to assist...it will not cost you any money and you will find that most of the dirt riding clubs cater for new and beginner off roaders. If you are having trouble finding a club in your area...go to a large motorcycle dealership and ask if they have contact details of such a club. Yamaha has an organization called Tribes...a Yamaha owners club. Failing that...there are many excellent instructional videos available in bike shops and on the Net that show you all you need to know about off road riding skills. It will not matter if the video is set in Oz , the UK or the USA...dirt riding is the same everywhere. You want one that teaches basic trail riding/dirt riding skills...not enduro or motocross. My thoughts are that maybe hubby can watch the video with you and you can then practice what you have seen together when out riding. I have just found this site on the Net for Motorcycling in W.A. They have a forum for dirt biking...and women riders generally. http://www.motorcyclingwa.org.au/ This
is the Australian Dual Sport and off road riders club...you can click on a
link to your state at this site. This
is an off road riding site that has links throughout Australia. Good luck Kysa. Cheers – Kevin (note from Mama: and there you have it Kysa . . . lots of great steps to consider in your venture to ride off road in WA! Let us know how it's going! And thanks Kevin for stepping into my riding boots and helping out a mate given the fact that you are on the other side of the continent of Australia and the world from me!) Wednesday, October 20 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Deb,
\\\\_ That's my electronic biker wave to you! – Mama Thursday, October 21 For Kevin who offered suggestions of learning to dirt ride in Western Australia: Just wanted to say a _*BIG THANKS*_ for all your help in answering my question. Many thanks to Kevin as well. I really do appreciate all the hard work and the information that you guys collected for me. THANKS again - you guys ROCK! – Kysa (note from Mama: Kevin will appreciate that you took the time to acknowledge his help and his wife Terri will have to tell him not to get such a big head over it! It's reported that he's a big flirt in the motorcycle chat rooms, but he would say that he likes to be honest in his viewpoints, which can be quite direct at times. He certainly is at this site, and I appreciate it! Thoughtful, constructive input is at the heart of this forum always!) Tuesday, November 9 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sharon, Monday, November 15 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Jlynn, Dear
VTwin Mama, I just got booted out of the MSC in Texas. I have never ridden any kind of motorized bike before, but I was determined to learn. When I asked the sponsor company sales lady if this was a course that beginners could take; her reply was “yes”. First day…perfect, lots of book work. Today [Saturday], we started at 8am and were doing figure 8’s etc. by noon. There were 11 students, 2 instructors, and about 10 minutes of showing us were the clutch, etc. was located. I dropped my bike (not while moving) 5 times before the instructor told me what I was doing wrong. I was also having trouble turning the bike and would lose my hold on it. I am 5’ and weight about 105#. He told me that if I dropped the bike one more time, I was outta there. I went to lunch and all I could think about was what would happen if I dropped the bike again. After lunch, we began riding again. Everything was fine until the rider directly in front of me had something go wrong so that he was off of his bike and standing in the path. I panicked that I would hit him and laid the bike down. At that point they told me that riding was not for me and that I should leave. I did, and of course, my pride was hurt and I cried the whole way home. I feel like a failure. I am assuming that this feeling is normal. I want to ride. I got back on that bike every time. AM NOT afraid of wrecking or laying the bike down…I just have never been kicked out of something before. Where do I go from here? – J. Dear
J., Here is a clue to what happened to you and the brutish treatment you received (I am not excusing the instructor's actions by any means): the MSC is a Motorcycle Safety Course as opposed to a Motorcycle Riding Course. The difference is that while the MSC will take on people who have never ridden before, the point of the course is to teach safety in riding, not necessarily how to ride. It's a mixed message at best, but that's the honest truth of the matter. The solution: call all the local motorcycle dealers in your area until you find one that offers a course that teaches someone to ride. The Harley dealers are noted for these and will start you out on their Buell Blast. Of course, they are hoping to sell you a Harley down the line (!), but the point is to learn the beginning skills needed for riding. Now, go kick some butt . . . because despite your initial experience . . . it's not the end of the road for you! We can't wait to hear your cries of joy when you get that motorcycle license . . . so make sure to write back sometime! – Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, I can relate because I have been wanting to start riding myself. My husband and I bought a Vulcan 800 this last summer, we have had so much fun riding it everywhere. We both wish now that we had bought a bigger bike for the both of us, although there is absolutely nothing wrong with this bike. It would be a perfect bike for me, my feet touch the ground real good and the handle bars are a perfect fit. My husband is wanting to buy himself a Harley Heritage Softail Classic. I told him if he did get one, then I would just take over the 800 Vulcan and I would start riding. I'm a little nervous about it though. Sometimes I think I don't have any business trying to ride one by myself. I used to ride dirt bikes when I was a teenager all the time and never had any problems, well I did smack into a gate head on one time, but other than that I rode that thing hundreds of miles. So I think I can do it. We recently took a trip to Southern Oklahoma and rode the Talimena Drive Scenic route and I was so impressed at all the women who were riding, it kinda sparked an interest. I do think for safety sake it would be a good idea to take a riding course before I just hop on our Vulcan and try to go somewhere. What do you think? Any words of encouragement? – Yovanda Dear
Yovanda, Or two, have your hubby dearest ride that Vulcan to the nearest empty parking lot with lots of clear room. Schedule short practice sessions (i.e. determine beforehand exactly what you wish to accomplish in each practice session and then don't over do it!). For instance, in the first one, stops and starts in first gear in a straight line. Maybe add going into second gear if you're up for it. See what I mean? In the first session you'll be able to determine your comfort level and then say how you wish to proceed. No lying to yourself or anyone else (in an attempt to make them proud of you) here . . . be true to what you need and your gut instinct and you'll be fine! If you decide to go for it right off the bat, consider getting the Ride Like a Pro for the Ladies video . . . a great way to watch a woman ride a honking big bike and show you the skills . . . and a great way to open up a dialog between you and your husband for practice session planning. It's highly recommended by the women who visit this site! – Mama Tuesday, November 30 For J. who got booted from a motorcycle course and is seeking words of wisdom: Don't feel alone! I wasn't kicked out of the Safety Course but, they couldn't believe I would come back for another round and made me feel I had no business being there! I couldn't find the "friction zone" and kept killing the motorcycle. They had no time to help me because this was not a class for learning. I cried, I felt so defeated and have NEVER quit anything in my life. Well, a year later (this past August), after practicing all summer, I went to the DMV and got my motorcycle endorsement. My husband and I have put on over 1,000 miles riding together! Don't give up . . . you can show them! The road is waiting for you . . . go get 'em girl! – Kelly (note from Mama: more importantly then showing them, J. can show herself! Your letter is timely reminder that if you have a dream, it's worth keeping at it no matter what anybody has to say about it! Way to go Kelly . . . and thanks for sharing your letter of support and letting J. know she is NOT ALONE.) Wednesday, December 1 Your Input is Highly Valued On This One Hi
Petra, Although our state reflects the national pass/fail averages, I’ve been asked to head a panel in addressing the issue of why women are failing our classes and are involved in more range ‘crashes’ than the men. I was pleased that our state is going to step up to the plate on the issue. The discussion will take place at our states coaching updates that all RiderCoaches are required to attend. I’ve been researching the subject on my own since before I received my coaching certification and have my own ideas and methods that I have found successful and have applied to my classes. However what I would ask from your readers is what THEY think. For those that “aced” the class: Why do you think it was that you were able to succeed? Personality? (high self-esteem, determination) Past experience with bikes? I guess I’m looking for the keys to your success. For those that went the whole class but still did not meet standard: Did you ride well, then “choke” when it came test time? Did you feel you needed more personal or compassionate coaching? ANYTHING that you could tell me that I would be able to add to the equation that could offer some insight in to what would have made the difference in your passing the class. And for those that were dismissed from the class: What was the offending issue? i.e.: friction zone control, etc. Where you afraid/scared? Felt too much pressure? What could the Coaches have done to help you get past these issues if anything? Truthfully, I’m a bit apprehensive at heading this panel. Some of which is because I’m getting into the face of some very set in their ways coaches…. ‘The old boys’ as it were. But mostly because this is an opportunity to help make the transition for women into the world of riding easier. I want to do it right. And the best way I believe I can do that is by going into this with as much information as I can get my brain on. As not to bog V-Twin Mama down with the responses to all my questions, please email me directly at HammerLady@ShinnySideup.com. But PLEASE DO share with me. Thank you Petra for again helping me and all the other women out. – Hammerlady [I want to make it clear that I am a RiderCoach, certified by both the MSF and my State. The views and opinions I have are my own and do not necessarily represent those of the MSF or my State.] Dear
Hammerlady, Thursday, December 9 Dear
VTwin Mama, When I wrote you, my husband was looking to buy a new Harley, well he got one. He got a Fatboy, It's an awesome bike. The weather was beautiful in our neck of the woods today so we took our first long ride. It was a great ride. I can't wait till spring. I have a feeling we're gonna have a real fun summer. When we got home I was so fired up about wanting to ride myself. I wrote you about wanting to learn to ride again. I had my husband get our Vulcan out of the garage and start it up for me. I took your advice about being in a wide open space, so I had him position me so I could ride in big circles in our front yard. So I did just that while my husband stood in the middle and watched over me like my guardian angel. I thought I did alright for a first time, didn't kill the bike or anything like that, I had good starts and stops, although I was better going to the left than I was going to the right. I can now say my training has officially started. It was fun. Thank for your advice. – Yovanda Dear
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VTwin Mama, Dear
Soon To Be Motorcycle Mama (!), Ultimately, how you interact with your instructors on a personal level (are you easily upset, do you need more reassurance and guidance, are you a strong person mentally, etc.) will help you understand what would work better for you. One other choice might be to explore courses that teach riding . . . and these are most often found at the dealerships themselves. Just call up and see if they have one. I can just hear every woman, who has ever written to this site in tears because a course they took shook their confidence, or they got booted out, or they just couldn't pass the course in one or two times, scream, "choose the private instructors if you get along with them." : ) Their other piece of advice would be that no matter which path you choose, if it doesn't work out, keep searching for the right instructor as they are not all created equal. Just make sure that the dream you hold inside doesn't die from lack of trying! You CAN do it! – Mama Thursday, December 9 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Totally Sane Woman of a Certain Age Who Has a Right to Her Dreams Too, You noted a certain level of trepidation regarding your "sharpness." May I suggest that you enlist the assistance of local women riders who could point you in the right direction for your area. These women will know the courses offered and most likely even the instructors. And they may know of private instructors available. They have a wealth of knowledge that I think will help you re-enter the adventure of riding with greater certainty and most definitely, with a support system in tact as you begin. One cannot calculate the value you would gain by considering this step. Hop onto my Women's Sites page and you will find a number of women's riding organizations . . . check for a local chapter and make contact! If you decide to explore options on your own, then contact the MSF (a riding safety course), local motorcycle dealers (Harley dealers tend to offer riding instruction classes), and in both cases, ask if private instructors are available if you think this would be the right choice for you. When you've got your license in hand, please write back and tell us all about it! We can't wait to tell you what an AWESOME WOMAN you are for having taken your dream in hand and accomplishing your goal! YOU CAN DO IT. We know, because we all did it too! – Mama Monday, December 13 For Wanna Be Motorcycle Mama who is deciding between learning options: If the money is not so much of an object, I would recommend doing both. Take the MSF course first, as in safety first, and then do the private time with the two instructors. That way, if you pass the course you get the endorsement. If you don't pass the course, the safety information is invaluable as a first step, and then you can get the one on one (or two on one, in this case) help to spend more time developing early skills and getting ready for the test at the motor vehicles testing place. I wish I could have done it this way. The MSF course here in Ohio is $25 and well worth it, but I know it costs more in some states, so I hope I'm not stepping out of line here. – Linda C. (note from Mama: how wise! Yes, there is soooo much to learn safety-wise from the course that is applicable down the line.) Monday, December 27 For Betty who is searching for input on how to get started: January is just around the corner, so I wanted to add a couple things in regards to your response to Betty (and others who may be looking to get into safety classes this year). I don't know how it is in her state, but I'd like to pass this along anyway, just in case. DON'T WAIT. When I was looking for an MSF class, I knew to go to the Motorcycle Ohio site for classes, but since they fill up so fast, I also went to the Motorcycle Safety Foundation site (http://www.msf-usa.org) (or Google it), which has listings for each state (and ultimately pointed me back to Motorcycle Ohio!). There were several locations around town, but the catch was that they have their signups in January for classes going from April thru September. We got there an hour early for one signup, which barely got me into a class. We arrived before 5am for another signup where the lot was already half full; the first ones there arrived at 1:30am! We had to dress for single digit temperatures and wait in long, long lines outside. They let people inside early, but not early enough! You have to register in person, and the classes fill up FOR THE YEAR by mid-morning. (There's a walk-in policy later, but it's complicated and difficult to get in.) I found classes at a community college that were booked three years in advance. I'm on their waiting list, so I should hear from them some time in the spring of 2006. (!) Some of the Harley dealers had some spots reserved in various classes for their customers. Those fill up fast, too. So, I would suggest to Betty (and others) to find out all she can NOW just in case she would have to jump on it early. Also, start asking around, or contact local riding clubs to find out what the drill is in her area and how best to approach it... like which places are best, when are signups, how early to get there, etc... so she gets in. I don't mean to scare anyone, but it never hurts to do the homework and be prepared. I understand we have a very elevated motorcycle ridership here in Ohio compared to other states (3rd in the country last I heard), which may account for our apparent safety class shortage. Lots of classes, but lots more people. So best of luck, ladies. I hope everyone gets into a class that wants to. I don't know, maybe it's easier in other states, but I'd hate to see someone wait until March only to find that classes are full for the entire riding season. Bummer. For all the trouble it was for me to get in, it was still WELL WORTH IT and I would do it again in a heartbeat!!! – Linda C. (note from Mama: ohimgosh . . . thanks for sharing a realistic view on signing up for riding classes! ) |
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