September 2002

As a motorcycle instructor for 22 years, I've taught over 6,000 riders and I personally would recommend a smaller bike initially, < 450 cc. As someone new to the sport, a novice, you will make mistakes. Smaller bikes with less weight and horsepower tend to be a lot more forgiving while making errors than the heavier and more powerful ones.

In taking the course, I presume smaller bikes were used.... and no doubt having just passed, your learning curve is climbing quite rapidly. Well I would think the best thing to do would be to keep your learning curve accelerating upward rapidly and staying with a small bike during your motorcycle incubation period might not necessarily be a bad thing! Starting with a bike that's heavy and/or very powerful, (or one you can't sit on and touch the ground flat-footed) could possibly slow down your learning curve, flattening it out more so.

In our area, if you buy a smaller bike and really look after it well, keeping it clean and well-maintained, after a season...... you can probably sell it quickly ('cause there's not lots out there) for only a little bit less than what you paid for it, making it very economical and real positive benefit to your learning curve.

Too many buy their dream bike as their 1st, only to crash and get hurt badly, or worse, killed - something that may have been avoided, had they been riding a motorcycle that was more suited to their skill level, ability and learning curve. If their dream bike were their 2nd or 3rd bike, it wouldn't really kill them to wait that long, would it?

Smaller bikes are also easier to sell..... there's a ready-made market for them - just drive them by a motorcycle school close to the lunch break and talk to the students (who need to buy one) and see if anyone's interested, maybe even post an ad there if they'll let you....

'B' has had.... say 3 different bikes during that same time period, say a small 250 for 1 year, a mid-size 500-750 for years 2-3 and a large 800-1800 for years 4-5

With this information at hand, I would give the season another chance? Take care and RIDE SAFE!!! – No Name (note from Mama: thanks for sharing your wonderful insights from the perspective of one who has seen so much in her riding lifetime. That means a lot to the readers and me, who is always learning.)

Dear VTwin Mama,
Thank you for your wonderful site. This is Great I love reading all the new and old timers stories. I just passed the motorcycle safety course on 7/14/02 I got my endorsement on 7/18/02 I had never rode a motorcycle before then. I have been on the back end of one for years. My husband has been riding for about 25+ years. I must say that I have been blessed my husband is a motorcycle safety Instructor, NO! I was not in his class. He wanted me to learn form another teacher so that I would get another person out look on riding. Which I think was wisdom on my husband part. He knew he would be teaching me for the years ahead.

By the time I got the wind in my face I knew he was in trouble. I was in love. He rides a 1500 Honda Gold Wing and that is too much bike for me. Now I have my endorsement but nothing to ride. On 7/19/02 when husband returned home from work I put my hands out for his keys and said I want to ride. He then informed me we would go shopping on his days off for my own bike. Jumping for joy I started looking in the paper. Of course I knew what I wanted, I had been looking at bikes for a year and had already made my mind up that if I passed the class I wanted to get a Honda Shadow.. and yes I did go down a lot I thought I could handle a 1100 Shadow but that was cut short after I knew what I wanted.

First of all you need to touch the ground and second you have to be able to pick it up off the kick stand. OK don't laugh I know I'm not the only one who has ever thought they were all that and a bag of skittles. I then settled for a 600 VLX Shadow. Some times I can use my head when it really counts. Picking a motorcycle does count. Well needless to say I picked my motorcycle up from the dealership OK! My husband pickup "my" motorcycle from the dealership on 7/27/02 the dealership is about 100 miles from where we live. My husband was teaching that weekend up at the college there so he rode my bike to the site where he would be teaching other students how to ride. I got to follow him and my bike about 2 mile from the dealership to the site. Then I got to watch all the new students learn to ride.

I started to get hungry so I went out for a bite, there was something wrong with the hunger pains that I was feeling. Low and behold I found my self at the dealership. As I scarfed down the wonderful zip off bags for my bike I thought I would have a leather vest for desert. Yum I felt so much better and now to go back to the school to see if hubby was done teaching. Well of course he wouldn't be done, I wasn't there yet. After an hour he finished up from his class. Yeppie! now it's my turn. Believe it or not my husband started me off right from the start of a class I had to "fine C" then he pushed me across the parking lot wow that was a rush, then I got to start my motorcycle feeling the rumble was great, then I got to ride. I can't tell you how lucky it was for me. I think when you can take the class, then buy your motorcycle and learn all over again but this time on your own motorcycle. I wish all first timers had that opportunity.

Any ways it is now 9/18/02 I have been riding my own motorcycle now for 54 days and counting. when I started my bike had a 1/10 of a mile on it, It now has 2162 miles on it. I ride to work. OK, please don't laugh I only work 2 blocks from home, my bike doesn't even get warm by the time I turn it off at work. I do ride after I get off work. I look for reason to ride. My husband commute to work he rides about 47 miles one way. I have been known to show up at his work just so we could ride home together. And yes, I do ride alone if I have too. I think I got the bug and well VTwin Mama I was wondering if there is a cure for it. Not that I would take it at this time. I'm having to much fun. – Susanne (The "Q")

Dear Susanne,
The only cure (ha ha) is to ride soooo many miles that you literally get sick of the bike. It can be done! But it could take years -- many, many years -- even thousands of years (you'll definitely need to get a new job many more miles away if you ever HOPE to get sick of riding!!!!!). And then the problem is that if you take a break -- you'll find that you get a hankering for it all over again! This bug not only bites, it burrows in and hangs on like a tick! Thanks for sharing your story -- this is the kind that helps new riders understand that they can do it to! – Mama

I happen to meet Lauri the morning she signed up for her MSF class and will be there when she takes the class and an instructor in training. Lauri: You are more than welcome to give me a call for ANY help of ANY kind including 'towing' your ride. I've got a pick-up and ramp and a cell phone :) I'm with Mama.... DEMAND a replacement bike! I'll go with ya too if ya need 'back up'! A cracked frame has been enough for insurance companies to TOTAL out bikes in a crash. It's unsafe at any speed under ANY condition. E-mail me and I'll give ya my phone numbers if you want help or even just some advice or information. I'd be pleased to stand in your corner. P.S. See ya at MSF class! – HammerLady@ShinnySideUp.com

I think the same thing happens when cage meets cage too. A slap on the wrist for the offending driver. It's not right, but it happens. Most we can do out there is remember to forget about them looking for you. You look for them. – Foxee

While I know that cage people get less punishment when they kill a biker, that stinks. I also am wondering if the two examples you pointed out are all that happened. Killing 5 people and only a ticket. I doubt it, at the least the driver was charged with involuntary manslaughter. As far as the driver turning left in front of the young man, if it happened that morning then the cops are still investigating everything so that the charges will stick. Then they are turnd into the prosecutor who makes the decision to charge the individual. There are many police that ride as well as fire fighters. They want people who kill bikers to be charged as much as we do. Unfortunately, some bikers I know that have been killed have been drinking. While this shouldn't let the killer off, it does cast doubt on the biker. The times are changing more and more. Cage drivers are getting their deserved punishment for hitting a biker. We still have a long way to go. Love your emag. – Maria Retkofsky

It definitely does suck, trying to be tactful here, how we are respected in an accident situation. The main reasons for this are stereotypical and the greed of insurance companies. The mom and pop in the car think we are outlaws by the media and law enforcement portrayal of us. They've been taught that motorcycles are "the problem", such dangerous vehicles that don't belong sharing the road. They, and now their daughters and sons, were never given much training on sharing the road, if any. Many law enforcement, NOT ALL, believe pretty much the same thing and consider it just another slimy biker off the road.

But all is not lost. We have made many in-roads into this situation, although slowly, through our work in motorcycle rights groups and by having attorneys who involve themselves primarily in motorcycle accidents and rights. Becoming involved, on our own with our own dollars, in awareness programs in the school driver education classes (because the schools and the material presented to them from the highway sources would barely address the motorcycle, if at all). As well as Public campaigns such as billboards and the "Share the Road" program have helped to make us more visible. It is ironic, though, how a cage driver can spot a child on a bicycle 3 blocks down (and I'm GLAD they do) but not see an 800 pound motorcycle with a 200 pound person on it a few hundred feet in front of them.

This awareness has helped to alleviate some accidents but what about when one happens. "Pcmystic's" situation, unfortunately, is VERY common. My personal experience with an accident was in Tennessee, also, and just as bad except I survived, thank God. But ten years ago the officer refused to give the gentleman a ticket basically, point blank, because the violator was 83 years old and I was just a quote "dirty biker". I was conscious and asked about a ticket and the officer told me there was no question it was his fault but if I wanted a ticket that "I" could go down to the courthouse and file a civil ticket, after I got out of the hospital that is. This even though the gentleman had run off 5 bikes to the side, I was the unlucky farthest outside one trying to shift right over out of the way, and a station wagon who landed on the median almost in the ditch trying to get out of the way of a man that ran a stop sign and turned left in front of all these vehicles. He continued down the road with the bike hung underneath with my boys pulling him over as his 78 year old girlfriend was beating him on the arm telling him "I told you, you HIT somebody!" as he says "I thought I had a flat tire".

What to do then? Hire a LAWYER, I know that's an ugly word that nobody likes, but over the last fifteen years has assisted the downed biker from being "just" a greasy spot on the road. As much as some find that career distasteful these attorneys are about the only ones that fought for us and brought it out to the forefront that "it is NOT illegal to be a biker"! That quote comes from A.I.M. (Aid to Injured Motorcyclists), you've saw the bumper stickers I'm sure. They have gotten us what was due when insurance offered a pittance for someone's life or limb and some law enforcement shunned us like second class citizens. They put a substantial portion of their fees to fund the National Coalition of Motorcyclists (NCOM), where membership is free, and were the first of their type to do so and are STILL doing it years later. They work with states' rights groups all over the country to bring problems to light and get good motorcycles laws passed. And not just with, directly, cage accidents but indirect causes such as rock-flying covered load laws and having bad road conditions recognized.

When you are dealing with the big guns of insurance you need some good ammunition yourself and A.I.M. provides that when it is possible. Let's be real, you can't be going 100 mph and side swipe a car and expect payment but when you deserve it they will work to get it for you if it is there.

So, overall, my suggestion to any rider, BEFORE or after an accident, is to JOIN the national organizations of AIM-NCOM, MRF and AMA and their own states' rights group to affect the change necessary in the laws that still make it OK to have open season on motorcyclists. And should you have an accident, contact A.I.M. because they STILL put dollars back into the motorcycle world or another attorney, should you so desire, but "just do it" and protect yourself legislatively and judicially the best you can. Yes, I have been involved with ALL these groups, at times, over the years and no, this is not a paid advertisement for any of them. Just the voice of experience. Wishing you all safe journeys and freedom, God Bless, – Darlene "BJ" Bish, Undaunted M/C (Women's Motorcycle Club), over the years a member of AIM, NCOM, MRF, AMA, Confederation of Clubs of So. Cal, CMT/ABATE of TN, Abate of CA, ABATE/CMRO, ABATE of Ohio and assisted with more.

Not anymore in Missouri. After my husband's cousin was killed in the same situation. His group, the FORR, got together and pushed through legislation to cover that situation. It's called Clutch's Law. You can now be jailed for failure to yield in the state of Missouri. – Traci Stroud

Most people don't like it, but criminal law isn't the solution for all deaths. Sometimes driving "sucks", kills people, but isn't criminal, even though those people are dead. What is left is the civil judicial system. That is not a "nothing". That is punishment of a different kind. – Kathy Collings

Dear VTwin Mama,
Do you know if they make the EZ Clutch pull for Yamaha Viragos? – Cate

Dear Cate,
According to this page on the J&P Cycle site (big aftermarket people) -- yes, if the bike is a 1982-2002. But it's not called an EZ Clutch, it's called a Power Clutch. If you look at the first letters/responses on my Working on the Bike archive section you'll find that there are all sorts of these devices available. I'd call them and ask more questions -- they have an 800-number. Or try Dennis Kirk, the other biggee aftermarket house. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
Here is a suggestion for all you newbies looking for your new or used bike. Consider adding some creature comforts to that dream bike. A windshield makes riding much more comfortable and less tiring even if only riding for an hour. You may like the looks of a "naked" bike, but after riding for very long at freeway speeds that windshield will be a must. Engine guards to protect your bike and your feet is a must and they provide a second place to put your feet when you add highway pegs on them.

One should never leave home without rain gear so where are you going to store the rain gear? A sissy bar to attach a "T-bag" or cheap back pack or duffle bag works great. A water bottle or an extra sweat shirt is nice to have along so another problem of where to put them. There are lots of brands and sizes of bags to use over the back fender. I prefer throw over bags that I only use when going over night and can be taken into the motel or tent, but lots of gals have bags that are permanently attached to the bike. Don't forget the bars that keep your new bags from getting into the tire. They also make a great place to attach bungees if you plan on carrying camping gear. A rack over the back fender also is nice for carrying things and not scratch the paint.

Then of course there is the heated clothes, heated grips and the Throttle Lock for hand relief on those longer distance rides. You may think you are never going to take an extended or overnight trip but don't be surprised that after you get into riding a longer trip sounds better and better. It is cheaper in the long run to buy these add-ons when you buy the bike as a package deal. Buying them later the shop will charge full price and charge you to put them on. If you are going to spend the $$$ for your bike add a few more $$$ for some creature comforts and safety. – Cheryl

Dear Cheryl,
Thanks for rounding up some advice on getting those extras right off the bat before they nip and tuck your wallet later on!– Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am on cloud nine!! I just passed my MSF course having never been on a motorcycle and having no experience with a manual transmission. I didn't know anyone else who would appreciate such an accomplishment, so I decided to drop you a line! Love the site, I'll be sure to keep coming back for more as I look into purchasing a bike. What a joy to have stumbled across this site.

So here's my question, some say start small (a la 'Rebel') and upgrade later (maybe a Shadow VLX). What say you? Is it really okay to start with a 600cc bike? – Paige

Dear Paige,
Hip, hip, hooray! Congrats girlfriend -- I am SOOOOO proud of you! Hey -- I've been to your cloud before and it doesn't get much better than that!

About bike size and getting started. Here's the biggee I think -- are you intimidated by the idea of starting on the 600? If not, go for it. Some new women riders just immediately fear the bigger beasties, so for them, getting gobs of practice time in on a smaller cc bike makes sense. Me -- I started on a 750. But nice and slow. Nudged it down a road on early, early Sunday mornings to a big vacant K-Mart lot where I had lots of room to practice shifting gears, stopping, turning, etc. Also, I can tell you that my feet planted firmly on the ground and the controls were in easy reach of my arms/hands. The weight surprised me a bit, but I practiced leaning the bike when it was turned off so I could get a feel for it. Also made sure I knew where the kill switch was with my eyes closed as well as the gas cock lever. So, go for it, or not. You're neither right or wrong either way! Isn't that cool?!?!?!

By the by, consider contacting one of the premier women riding organizations in your area to get that much needed support. Links are at the bottom of the home page. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I purchased a brand new Honda Rebel 250CC (candy apple red) and in only 3 weeks, had it in the shop 3x. I have never ridden a bike before and it stops on me while driving, plus the pivot has a crack in it on the frame. I called my AAA and they don't tow motorcycles unless you have an additional policy...my car insurance doesn't pay for pip or medical unless I buy additional insurance. Learn the hard way I suppose. Should I insist on a new bike? or will a welding job do just the trick? I ask because the chance of getting a new 2002 are slim. I only found 2 and they were in L.A. and I bought one of those and had it shipped up here to Oregon. I am hoping it is just the charging system and they can get the twick out of it. What is your opinion....thanks – Lauri

Dear Lauri,
I'm more concerned about the crack. The frame is the great underlying structure of the bike, and if it is compromised, the chances of it failing are great -- and the bad part is that you can't predict which type of hit or maneuver it will take to continue to stress the crack and weaken it even more. I would insist on full and complete replacement. Realizing the delay of a possible replacement would be a nuisance, you still cannot stress your safety enough. And then of course is the big question as to why it keeps stopping on you. Things just don't seem to be adding up. Somebody should be answering your questions. Keep making noise until somebody does something about it.

Since the Virago is no longer around, have you checked out the 650 and 1100 V-stars? I am short, 5' 2", and find the 'stars a very nice seat, touch, and weight combination along with the power. Many women look at the Harley Sportster for their first bike because they "look" smaller but I think harder to ride. The weight is high, the suspension stiff, the clutch very hard to pull, and the bikes shake a lot. The Dyna series are rubber mounted to and heavier to absorb some of that shaking making it a better overall ride. A Sportster might seem like a neat bike for short rides but after a couple of hours on the bike that shaking gets tiring. If a gal really wants to start on a Harley the Dyna Low Rider bikes are a much better choice. I wouldn't recommend starting on any Harley but rather look for a used 250-600cc Japanese bike to do all the dropping, scratching, and denting. Then buy your dream bike. – Cheryl (note from Mama -- thanks for chiming in on the loss of the Virago and other solid choices)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I am currently riding a Honda Shadow 600 and love it. My husband is selling his HD Custom Sportster -- I did not like it. I've been riding the Shadow for about 6 months and am itching for a bigger bike. I'm afraid to get on the interstate with it, I feel its not big enough. I've been looking at the Honda ACE 750 which seems like a logical step up. I hear other mama's like the HD Fatboy and the Dyna Low rider. My concern is the weight of the bike, my bike weights 450 lbs. and I'm not sure.

Let me know your thoughts and what other mama's recommend. I cannot believe how much the HD Heritage Softail is...$17,000.00, my car was cheaper!!!! I would like to stick to $12,000 - $14K – Shadow Mama aka Angela

Dear Shadow Mama,
Congrats on deciding against trying to ride the Sporty which you mentioned in an earlier letter that you really didn't like all that much. Here's the thing -- there are lots of makes and models and sizes and alterations you can make. Me, myself and I would high-tail it to the nearest motorcycle show in your area this coming winter so you can see ALL the models at once, sit on them, etc. You could go from dealer to dealer as well, but ha (!) -- they don't always have all models on the showroom floor.

Now, I think you also wrote a letter under the name of Blue Mama (sorry if this isn't you!) lamenting the high cost of HDs but how easy it is to get emotionally hooked when someone starts talking about how great they are. Bikes are only great under two conditions: (1) it fits your body and (2) you can afford it. Otherwise you're going to hate the darn thing and that will ruin a good adventure and lifetime journey right from the get-go. So, be realistic about what you can afford and then take your time discovering what bike won't make you feel like you're hanging on for dear life. Well worth the time and effort to explore these issues. Happy riders understand this. – Mama

In response to Sheila's problem with her foot pegs and handlebars being too far away from her. I have a 1999 Shadow VLX 600 and while I don't have the foot peg problem because I'm taller, I do have a problem reaching for the handlebars. I have read that a lot of people put Honda Shadow Aero risers on the VLX and it brings the stock handlebars back and up a couple of inches. You don't need to go to the dealer for everything, either, there are plenty of internet companies that sell these items for much cheaper - I've purchased from Dennis Kirk, Bike Bandit, and JC Whitney with good experiences. As for the question on whether parts from a 2002 will fit a 2003, the answer is yes - the VLX is the same from 1999 - up. – Robyn (note from Mama -- thank goodness you knew something about all of this!)

I myself have short person syndrome (5"4'). It wasn't until after I purchased my 2002 HD Sportster 883 Custom with drag bars and forward controls and put about 300 miles on it did I realize I was too short for my bike!

On take off I would slide back on my seat to the point that my toes were barely touching the pegs. I would literally have to grab the handle bars and pull myself forward so I could reach the controls again. The handlebars were another issue. I was leaning so far over to reach the drag bars that my weight was being supported by my arms instead of being able to sit back and support the weight in my bottom and lower back.

To get to Shelia's issue, she is going to have to invest some cash to modify the bike or trade it in for a model she can ride. I had to have a seat made for my bike that put me 2 inches closer to the tank, this cost $175 but solved the problem with the forward controls. Next I purchased new handle bars ($45) that brought me up 2 inches and back 2 inches. (I will need longer brake and cable lines but can get by with what I have for now) WOW what a difference. The first time I rode the bike with the new handlebars and seat, I was amazed at the difference. I felt so comfortable and was able to "ride" my bike instead of fight it. Since the modification, I have put 1700 miles on her in 2 months. I "feel" like I "trust" her now, if such a thing exists. That added comfort was a milestone in honing my techniques and that reassurance made me a better rider. I still have a long way to go, and looking forward to the journey. How can you put a price on safety? – No Name (note from Mama -- I don't think you can put a price on safety, but the first time shock of seeing aftermarket prices is enough to make any sister turn a whiter shade of pale!)

Dear VTwin Mama,
It's really too bad that Yamaha stopped making the Virago in 1999. This is the perfect bike for women. Everything fits our shorter legs and arms, and the whole bike is balanced so that it doesn't feel heavy. Anyone want to twist the CEO's arms at Yamaha to start making this dream machine again? A lot more women are riding now than ever before and I am sure that Harley Davidson would be given a run for their money. Even Harley's are awkward and heavy for the average woman. The Virago gives you the Harley look and sound without paying out the price tag for one. You can find a used Virago for around $5000.00. or less. – Pamela

Dear Pamela,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this discontinued model -- sounds like riders in the market for a bike should consider looking for these! – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
Last night, as I cruised along, fully clothed in leather, with helmet, I thought about Shorty and her feelings of the wearing of a helmet. I consider wearing protection on my bike to being a lot like sex -- would you have sex without protection with someone you don't know where they've been? We don't know the other drivers on the road. With sex, if you become a parent, that child is with you the rest of your life, just like an injury received, it won't kill you, but the lasting effects last a life time (no good times as with kids though). With sex, you might pick up a disease that only bothers you on occasion, just like a bike injury - the joints only hurt with the weather. Also with sex, you may pick up a disease that will kill you, just like an unprotected biker in the wrong place at the right time. There are many of us that live in states that a helmet is not required by law, (thank God for choices!), but you and your loved ones have to live with the results of our choices. If you are comfortable about not wearing a helmet - go for it, do it with joy, don't dwell on it, because we ride to enjoy and we each do it with our own personal style. See you on the back roads – Michele (note from Mama: exactly!)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I read the latest of many recommendations for the book Proficient Motorcycling and just went out and bought one on Half.com. But I checked Amazon and they were actually cheaper (although I didn't check shipping on Amazon) and they said a More Proficient Motorcycling is due out February 2003. I don't seem to be able to bookmark the page, so just go to Amazon and select "books" and "proficient motorcycling" you'll see them both. – April (note from Mama: how exciting -- this appears to be the book that every rider should read at some point)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have the same problem as Stacie (controls and foot pegs aren't that comfortable), only mine doesn't have to be long rides. Even short rides give me dead arm. I just went from a Rebel 250 after only 3 months to a new 2003 Shadow VLX 600. As of right now it is very hard to find after market parts for it. Does anyone know if the 2002 and the 2003 parts are interchangeable? I am having a really hard time finding handle bars to fit my bike, the 2003 has a 1 inch handle bar that has hardly any curve to it and they are very wide. I am only 5 foot tall and have short arms and legs. With the seat being so big and the foot pegs so far away I have to really reach to be able to handle my bike by the handle bars. They are very wide and I have small hands. I find myself hunching over which hurts my back and both of my hands go numb and I get a pain up the right side of my back and neck. I also have big blisters on the palm of my left hand from the clutch and the large handle bars.

I love riding and don't want to quit but I can't seem to find anything that doesn't cost an arm and a leg (even numb ones) to switch. My husband was going to bring my handle bars back to me a little but the new ones don't leave enough clearance of the gas tank to do that. If I get new ones I have to change the clutch and brake cables as they are not long enough for taller bars. The Honda shop told me a new set of foot pegs would cost $150 which I think is crazy. Handle bars like I want are $120. Why is this stuff so high and why does it take so long to get after market parts for new bikes? I am hoping that the parts are interchangeable from 2002. Even a later year would work. Any ideas? Thanks. – Shelia

Dear Shelia,
My sympathies in trying to customize your bike so that fits your body better. They charge what charge because they've got you by the . . . well, let's just say that a dead arm is better than no arm. Also, remember that when a manufacturer comes out with a new bike, they haven't shared the details with others, so it takes a while for the after marketers to ramp up to speed, deciding not only what will be needed and by whom, but what is going to sell! Don't you just love capitalism?! I'm afraid I can offer no sage advice for you -- this falls into too much of a technical swamp for my knowledge. I'm hoping some of the sisters will have more input for you or help you understand that you're just going to have to bite the proverbial dollar bullet on this one. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
New rider and those up hill stops...I am wondering if there is a danger of ruining my clutch by holding the bike in the friction zone on an uphill for an up hill start. I have not mastered the right foot brake / right hand brake free technique but manage very well holding the bike just in the go zone. My husband looked at me and asked if I wanted to buy a new clutch and I kinda gave him the puppy dog look. Will it indeed burn out my clutch by using this technique? V-Star 650 rider. – Goatly

Dear Goatly (now there's GOT to be a good story behind that nickname!),
Anytime you use the clutch, you wear the clutch. So yes, in theory, the clutch will wear quicker for the method you are describing. However, how many uphill stops do you have in your area!?!?!? How often do you have to do this?!?!?!?

I guess the bigger issue here is that if you took a poll of all riders, very few would say they use this to hold position in an uphill stop situation. Sure, maybe for a moment (defined as 3 seconds or less!) -- for whatever reason (although there riders are more likely to gauge the situation beforehand and slow to a crawl to keep from having to put their feet down) -- but otherwise, riders learn to master some combination of brake control. Personally, I keep my bike in first gear with the clutch lever pulled in and hold the bike in position with my right foot brake and keep balance with my left foot planted firmly on the ground. That leaves my hands free to engage the clutch and roll the throttle smoothly together, while "skimming" my feet over the ground as I begin forward momentum in case my bike and me feel like leaning a little too much on take off!

Dear VTwin Mama,
I went on my first Poker Run yesterday and just wanted to share my experience and thoughts. The ride was in and around Milwaukee (Wisconsin - of course!) and was hosted by the Metro Milwaukee chapter of the Blue Knights (a riding club for active and retired police officers). My husband belongs to Wisconsin Chapter II so we went along with 8 other officers, and a few non-cop people; our group totaled 12. The ride was to benefit the Special Olympics and the unofficial amount raised was well over $2000! Yea! Well, the day started with registration at the Krispy Kreme donut store - how very appropriate as noted by just about all who attended! and ended at a bar - also appropriate.

The route took us out and around Milwaukee suburbs so the scenery was nice. I was worried we'd be in town for the whole thing. Instead we wound through tree-lined twisties and turnies and past acres and acres of farmland. -sigh- The route took us to five bars where we drew one card at each bar. The last bar allowed us to buy up to three additional cards for one dollar each. The best three hands were selected and received cash prizes (I was thrilled to get second best hand! and I've always said I'm lousy at card games!) and the rest were picked at random for door prizes.

All in all it was a great day. The sun shone. Temperatures were in the low 90's with relatively low humidity. Strange, since the Knights usually get rained on for their events here! I have to admit I really wasn't that thrilled that each stop was a bar. My hubby and I stuck to coke and water but I was disappointed in the number of attendees who drank alcohol. Okay, I know this isn't a perfect world and lots of people drink and drive, but a drink or two at each bar then many more at the last one make me more than a little nervous! When my husband's chapter hosted a Run they included a jewelry store as one of the stops. The store even donated a custom garnet and gold ring for a silent auction. I'm curious about others' experiences on Poker Runs or the like. I'd like to think not everyone ends up at bars. It would be nice to offer alternate ideas for next year's ride.

I do have a question though about riding in groups. Like I said before we had a group of 12 bikes and sometimes it's hard to keep the group together. When you come to a stop sign at a four way stop would the group just ride through together - assuming none of the other vehicles start moving from their stops? Many of our group, myself included, went through them together while others stopped for the sign. At times during the ride I would be behind the one who stopped, breaking up the group, and looking at the other stopped vehicles they seemed to be a little confused. Just wanted another view on this. Thanks for any and all input! – Jennifer aka Sabre-Girl

Dear Jennifer,
Thanks for sharing your Poker Run story -- yes -- it does bring up a number of interesting aspects.

Events that have their pit-stops at bars, or pleasures rides with friends that go from Point A to B to C etc. which are bars, is a time-honored tradition. I think it has to do the open atmosphere, seating, there is music, ability to talk loud and proud, etc. Unfortunately, our culture use to show drinking as a "regular adult" thing you do -- and despite the many warnings about drinking and the road, we still persist in this. Kudos to you and hubby for choosing a non-alcoholic beverage and sticking to it.

The solution to pack riding when alcohol is involved? That's tricky. I'd personally ride at the back of the pack and keep my distance. If any of the other riders mentioned something, I'd simply let them know that I don't think drinking and riding are safe and that they should respect my desire to ride safe. If these riders can't accept this, I hate to say it, but find new people to ride with. Or organize a ride yourself without bar stops (maybe as an alternative -- local drive up burger joints or Dairy Queens -- to show the group that you CAN have fun without alcohol. Remember, sometimes these bar-to-bar rides are just a matter of habit -- someone needs to take the initiative to do it differently!

As to the group coming up to a stop sign, we had a lengthy discussion of that early this year, so check Barbara's original question and the follow-up in the Riding Techniques, Group Riding page. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
Please see that this gets some attention. This is an outrage!!!

Fatal Motorcycle Accident in Sumner County Tennessee
The driver of a motorcycle is dead this morning after a crash in Sumner County late last night (9/4/02). It happened near Highway 231 south around 10 PM last night. The Tennessee Highway Patrol says 23-year-old David J. Dickey was driving on Highway 31 east when a car turned around in his path. That's when Dickey hit the car. The motorcycle driver was dead at the scene. No one else was seriously injured in the accident. The driver of the car that made the U-turn was ticketed for failure to yield.

How in the hell can Tennessee just issue a ticket for failure to yield? This driver took the life of a 23 yr old fellow rider. I see articles like this often & it just burns me up. This just happened this past Tuesday night, & in the next county from me.

My husband & I both ride, & I asked him, is it going to cost us our life, just because we love to ride? Thank you for letting me speak my mind. – Pcmystic

Dear Pcmystic,
Unfortunately, this kind of a slap on the hand is prevalent over the entire U.S. I know that the AMA is trying to make changes to national law on this. I sympathize that you had an example of this prejudice towards riders in your local area. We had a large group of riders going through my area when a women in an SUV drifted over the center line on a blind curve and when she saw the bikers coming towards her, she over corrected trying to get back in her lane and killed 5 riders in the center of the pack. She was ticketed with failure to maintain her lane.

The fact is, with today's laws, we as riders take extra risk being on the road. Only law can change this, and only active participants who lobby their legislators, etc. can make this a priority. It's not easy. Check with AMA and MRF to see where they are on these types of initiatives and if there is some way you can make a difference. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I recently learned of this book that I have not been able to put down since I got it. (I ordered it from half.com).

I consider myself a novice rider, at age 56 and my first bike, a HD Low Rider along with the MSC, 9K miles this first year of riding, I still have lots and lots to learn and lots of confidence to gain. Proficient Motorcycling, from Motorcycle Consumer News, The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well, by David L. Hough, should be required reading by anyone and everyone who rides a bike. It is not just for novices. Very well written, and lots of humor make this book very hard to put down. from Motorcycle Consumer News, The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well, by David L. Hough, should be required reading by anyone and everyone who rides a bike. It is not just for novices. Very well written, and lots of humor make this book very hard to put down.

Just had to pass this information on to all the V Twin Mamas out there. Thanks a Bunch, – Cathryn Kotler in Smith Valley, NV

Dear Cathryn,
This book has been highly recommended by a number of VTwin Mama sisters -- so you're in good company. For those interested, I've got a page with books and magazines that we've talked about on this site over time -- and any suggestions can be made to add to the list! So you go girl -- good to hear about your progression in riding and what this source of information has meant to you -- yahoo!– Mama

Just found this site and love it! I took the MSF course in May on a couple 250 bikes, and have been riding a relative’s Yamaha Virago 535 for the past couple of months. I’m 5’2” and don’t have a lot of upper body strength, but the Virago is a great fit! It sits low so my feet are flat on the ground, and it’s light enough that I can stand it up & control it well. My relative also has an 1100 Virago, but it is too heavy for me at my level right now. I think the 535 is a good size bike for a beginner and a good confidence-builder. – Stace (note from Mama: thanks for your candid input on how you are gauging your own abilities at this point)

I have seen several helmets that were worn during motorcycle accidents. Trust me on this.....the helmets were total disasters! Better to destroy a helmet.....than your head! – Betty aka Bootygrandma (note from Mama: I think that seeing an accident first hand is often times a defining moment in the helmet issue -- once you've seen the power of the pavement etched on a helmet, it's really not a question anymore.)

This past weekend here in upstate New York were a couple of really bad motorcycle accidents. One was on a major highway where one biker was traveling at a high rate of speed and weaving in and out of traffic when he ended up hitting another biker who had a passenger. Route 81 was closed for a couple of hours do to the accident and the driver of the first bike air lifted out with severe head injuries. I haven't heard the out come of the other two people but all were wearing helmets and I would hate to think of them as not having them on they may have saved their lives.

The other accident was only a couple of miles from my house where someone ran a stop sign and hit a couple on a Goldwing. The passenger is in critical condition at one hospital and the driver is at another hospital holding his own. Both were wearing helmets! After having seen pictures of the accidents and what the bikes looked liked afterwards (not a pretty site) I wish everyone would wear a helmet as it may save their lives. The thought is always there (it won't happen to me), but I'm sure the people involved in this weekend's accidents thought the same thing. Even though we are in control of our own bikes and lives, it only takes one individual's irresponsibility and a few seconds to change those thoughts. Personally I'll always wear a helmet just in case I ever make a mistake or someone else does. Safe riding everyone!! – No Name (note from Mama: thanks for sharing your view on helmets and what you've witnessed already. It sounds like part of the guilt that Shorty might be feeling is that if you've got loved ones, the issue isn't just about yourself and personal choice -- it's about respecting and honoring the needs of important people in your life as well. However, in the end, free choice is exactly that. Free. Choice.)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I know this can be an ongoing discussion, helmets! I have 10,000 miles under my belt (over 5,500 this summer). I always wear my helmet when I ride solo (not always as a passenger). Well, yesterday I rode solo without my helmet and boy did I feel guilty! I felt like I was breaking some major law, or commandment. I don't know if I would ride again without a helmet, sure it felt good, but the guilt was almost overwhelming. I guess I am using my helmet as a security blanket. Has anyone else felt this guilty not wearing a helmet while riding solo? – Shorty 600

Dear Shorty 600,
You feel guilty because you know that today's responsible motorcycle rider understands that helmets save lives. Just like seat belts in cars. So if you want to ride without a helmet -- go for it. I did for 17 years and never gave it a thought.

But understand this -- if your guilt is with you during your entire ride, then you're not concentrating on your ride. And that's dangerous. And foolish. And selfish. Please make it a priority to ride with confidence, with or without a helmet. If you're second guessing yourself along the road, you're not doing yourself or anyone else a favor. Lose the guilt by making a conscious choice and believing in it. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I've seen a few past comments and questions about the Ridley Automatic Transmission Bikes. Just thought a I might comment on them for those that are curious about them. I have a Ridley Sport. It's compact, fun, easy to ride and very well built. My last bike was a 50's HOG with suicide shift that was heavy, hard to start and not nearly as much fun. At 5'11 and over 250 lbs I am a big guy that feels very comfortable on the small Ridley. Although I did add a larger saddle with more padding! The new Autoglide is bigger than my Sport and really looks good. I may be buying one of those too and maybe, just maybe, let my wife have the sport . . . . – Ken

Dear Ken,
Thanks for taking the time to give us your opinion on the Ridley bike with useful info on your size, etc. For those interested, I've posted the picture Ken sent in of his customized bike in the photo gallery. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I had to write and thank all of you again for all the inspiration and insights. I wrote to you back in April when I first got my Shadow VLX, took the safety course, dropped the bike, lived thru all the butterflies and it is so true. One day I was out for a solo ride and something just "clicked" between me and my Shadow!

My boyfriend and I went to Canada last week on our bikes, 400 miles each way. It was the most awesome, wonderful trip of my life. I will remember it forever. So thanks to all of you for the words of wisdom and guidance. – Debbie

Dear Debbie,
Glad this site is making a difference to your riding experience and congrats on the successful run to Canada. Did you bring anything back for me?!?!?! – Mama

I have to agree with you, Mama, Genie should delay the class. Having just taken it course a couple of months ago, the strain-stress-fatigue are all clear in my mind. It takes a lot out of you - it takes a lot of concentration - it is not a vacation - it is hard work. If you are in pain, that is definitely NOT the time to attend. Wait till you are healed, continue back seat riding when you can to help you over your fear. You will know when the day is right, and that day will come, and then take the course. You'll be a better rider for your experience! Keep the faith. – Donna aka FrogBiker (note from Mama: sage advice)

Invest in a small tool pouch for the front of your bike---on the forks-----that's where I keep all kinds of goodies: my brush (a must have), registration, GUM, and of course a rag for smudges!!!!LOL Good luck Girls!!!! – Marion in Fla. whose motto is "Smile . . . .so they have to wonder what you're up to!!!! (note from Mama: another useful suggestion. Thanks!)

I took the beginner class because my husband and myself felt I would pick up valuable tips and techniques that he may not have taught me. I had been riding for a year - starting out on a Suzuki 300, moving up to an '81 Sporty & had just bought a 2002 1200 Sporty which I love. My husband told me to mention to my instructor what I drove so that he would understand me better as a student - the course was on new Suzuki 250s, and one ancient Rebel with duct tape and twine holding on the headlight, countless dents and scratches, rust, and chain slap, and farting. Well, I was the one in class with the most experience and happened to end up with that old nasty bike - coincidence? - maybe.

But the second day of riding when I complained about the bike the instructor told me it was fine and he would "tell the mechanics about it if they come around". There were more new bikes in the garage but he made me stick with that one. I guess I was intimidated by him and also thought - "If he thinks I can do it, I can, it will be a challenge". When he took the Rebel for an example run around some cones to show us what to do, he missed a cone and said it was his foot that hit it and not his fault. He performed perfectly when using any of the other new bikes on these runs. Well, I passed, but did the worst in the class. And he let everyone know.

But this is what upset me the most: The last day of class I rode my new Sporty to class (I had already put about 2,000 miles on it in two months, having just got back from a 1,000 mile run through Texas & New Mexican desert to see my family) and I was so shaken by the whole experience that I felt uncomfortable on my own bike on the way home. I did not shake that feeling until I put another several hundred miles on her. I felt so unstable on that little bike that it carried over to my "creamsicle" as Mama has put it. I think I was taught things that I had to unlearn to ride my own bike again.

My husband turned out to be the only instructor I needed, although we both didn't know this before the experience. And the grand total I saved on my yearly insurance was - drum roll please - 1$. Thanks for listening, – Paula (note from Mama: well, I think the message here is that instructors have a huge responsibility to be sensitive to their students when they voice concerns, etc. After all, they are adults, not small children. )

Shirl, even after I had taken the course, I was still a bit intimidated of my bike. I had gotten a Low Rider and it was somewhat large .. ha ha ... anyway ... this is what I did ... I would just sit on the bike, while in neutral of course and not running. I would practice just moving it around, first forward and then backwards, it gave me some confidence on just being able to handle it, and it is much more difficult to move when not turned on ... ha ha.
I had even made my son follow me in the truck when I decided to go out onto the road in the beginning. I felt somewhat protected and of course .. was trying harder since I didn't want my 18 yr old son to have to wipe me off the road... ha ha
Everyone has their own comfort zone. You will find yours soon enough. I took the test 11/01 and just this past weekend went on my first run with over 6 bikes for almost 2 hours .. did a bridge and the parkway!!! Woo Hoo ... it was awesome!! I still have to become tighter on my turns .. but that will come!!! Stick with it, your wind will come!!!! – Carla (note from Mama: well put. You'll never get it if you give up. )

Dear VTwin Mama,
I wrote in a while back asking about the experiences your readers have had with the V-Star and whether the pipes got really hot (some input appeared on 8/29) As a follow up I wanted to let everyone know that my friend did indeed by the new Silverado. She got it Friday night and by Sunday, had over 80 miles on it. This was only her second bike as she has only been riding a short time. Her first bike was a 450 Rebel and she was very afraid that the V-star was too big for her (she's 5'2"). Not only is the bike not too big, but it is so much more comfortable and stable than the Rebel, that she is riding more than she ever rode before. I rode to work today with her. She's planning on riding to Biketoberfest next month.

Thanks for all of the valuable information that you provided. My friend has not stopped smiling since Friday. – Linda aka Shadowlady

Dear Shadowlady,
Glad we could make a difference -- as you well know, the questions, responses and observations shared by women riders all over the world (yes, we are international !!!) are what make this site informative -- and most importantly -- useful! Yahoo! – Mama

eBay.com, http://www.ebay.com, seems to be quite successful in helping folks sell their bikes. If you go this route, be sure to specify how far you are willing to deliver (if at all). Otherwise state that the buyer must arrange for pickup or shipping. Also most folks seem to ask for a specific percentage or dollar value within x days of auction end with the balance within x days. There are costs involved with eBay but they are reasonable. I know several folks who have bought both bikes & cars through them, all successful transactions.

Cycle Trader Online, http://www.cycletrader.com, is another popular route as are the local cycle traders (in addition to local Penny Savers, Thrifty Nickles and other freebie "for sale" newspapers).

Some folks mention their bikes for sale in the many bike forums at Delphi.com. Most motorcycle forums have "For Sale" folders - but be sure to read the forum rules first. FYI, there are several excellent "women rider" forums to be found there. To name just a few:

- Women Riders International
http://forums.delphiforums.com/womenriders/messages

- Harley-Davidson Women Riders
http://forums.delphiforums.com/womanrider/messages

One thing I swore to was that I would never buy something sight unseen. Second thing was that I would never buy something off the Internet. Well....guess what? I received a phone message about a 99 V-Star Classic last summer. Being the curious person I am, I looked it up. To make a long story short, I bid on the V-Star and won the bid. Then my husband and I took a trip to New Jersey to pick it up in person. It was awesome...just like the ad said it was. By the way, WE LIVE IN INDIANA! Hee Hee....since then, we have bought a number of things for our bikes (he rides a Valkyrie) off of ebay, and have been very satisfied with all our purchases.....one item came all the way from New Zealand! Right now, we are waiting for something to arrive from Texas. I guess buying over the Internet is a good thing after all. – Betty aka Bootygrandma (note from Mama: sounds like you've learned from experience!)

Just an input on selling sites - Cycle Trader Online is great. They sell locally in a magazine format and have online for nationwide searches. I use it to comparison shop, price shop, and see what bikes are on the market since dealers sell on there too. www.cycletrader.com I just checked motorcycle transport prices and they are almost as much as a car (around $600) on one site, so it may be prohibitive for interstate sales.

My husband recently bought an old car on EBay, and is flying from Orlando FL to Springfield MO to pick it up and drive it home. It's our first really big purchase on EBay, so we'll have to see how it goes - buying a car without actually seeing it should be interesting. But I have had 300 successful transactions on EBay, and recommend it.

If any of the VTwin Mama's have motorcycle parts, name brand boots or gear, EBay is the place to sell (or buy!) them. The old tank from my 2000 Suzuki Intruder 1400 is currently going for over $100! And the secret is that I only paid $80 for an unused 2000 tank on EBay which I paid $45 to have touched up to darn near perfect. A new tank from Suzuki is $500. – April aka April (ok, that was just a Mama joke from the previous aka-s!) (note from Mama: so buyer beware and know the rules, but it's sounding like Internet sales can be a really positive thing!)

While there are many places one could post, ebay is still the #1 site and very user friendly. I don't know what it costs the seller but as a buyer it's great. Once you set up a search you'll get an email if that item comes up so a buyer doesn't even have to waste time searching. I like the "buy it now" feature when offered 'cause if I want something I want it and would rather not feel like it was a big game sometimes. I bought my '85 Virago on ebay and stuck to driving distance 'cause I wanted to ride it first, natch, and the deal went off without a hitch. If you really want to sell it, it's gotta be the first place people will look and you can see what comparable bikes are selling for. You could literally have cash in hand before your ad even saw a newspaper. Just have good pics and all the pertinent info posted. Good Luck!– Inga (note from Mama: thanks for more support on what looks like a valuable selling resource -- wow!)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have a 2000 Heritage Softail and I absolutely love it! I've been riding this bike for about a year - hard to believe I'm not better at these two issues, but I feel I am getting worse as time goes on. I am not too short for it, but I do have trouble on slow riding, especially sharp turns. I dropped it once while trying to do a U-turn, and flat out am afraid of dropping it again in a similar situation.

In addition, yesterday, I had parked it in gravel, and the kickstand had sunk into the dirt about an inch. Granted, I was tired after riding all day, but I had a heck of a time getting it off the stand. There have been other times when if I have to lean the bike over to the right to get the bike off the stand, I can't lean it far enough (like if it was parked on a slope in gravel, etc) without fear of dropping it. I've gotten around it by easing out the clutch and moving the bike forward enough to where the kickstand comes back enough where I can get it up. But, this isn't the best practice.

A friend says I should have the bike lowered to lower its center of gravity, and I realize basically that amounts to changing the shocks, for about $1000. I am wondering if you or anyone can tell me what lowering the bike will really do for me. As I said, it's not too tall, but I am rapidly losing my confidence and even practicing isn't helping me enough to get over this hump. Thanks!! – Sunishine

Dear Sunishine,
Well that's because you're trying to overcome two really big hurdles -- at least they are for you right now.

I don't know if this is cheating, but here is how I handle tight tight U-turns. Like a car! I do the turn as tight as I can without sacrificing my balance or comfort in the turn, then I stop, push the bike back with my feet while straightening the wheel and finish the turn -- a classic "Y turn" for a car. Or, sometimes, if the turn is tight and I have to do it in one shot -- I keep my feet on the ground and "walk" the bike around in neutral or in 1st gear but with the clutch pulled in so I can slip it in and out and nudge the bike forward and around.

Ok, that works great for relatively flat surfaces. If the terrain is hilly, steep, icky, poopy, I ride until a better "intersection" is available for me to turn and make no excuses about it. And this is after 20+ years of riding! Remember, not all bikes have great turning capabilities and radius' and not all riders ever master this.

Now, as to your parking woes. You've simply got to learn how to gauge your parking spot better. Stop getting your self into messes. First, get a disk to throw on uneven gravel, melting asphalt, etc. to keep your kickstand from sinking even a smidgen! Check our previous discussion this year from June 14 and then some days thereafter.

Next, park so you never have to lean right on an incline that is going to potentially dump you over. Learn to U-turn a little in front of a spot and back your bike up into this spot. Then a little lean might be required to set the bike on its sidestand, but that should be doable. Also, I always check to see that if I park, can I back up the bike by myself with my feet? If it looks like I'm parking slightly downhill, then back the bike into the spot instead in so you can pull out of the slight incline going forward.

We'll see if the VTwin Mama sisters have anything to add. My guess is that they will -- I'm just so psychic! – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
My husband and I own a 1100 Honda Shadow. At this point I am still a passenger. I am planning on taking riding a course next March. My question, after reading some of the letters to you is, do I need to be looking for something smaller for myself. I love our bike and would love to ride it by myself, since I purchased it with my own hard earned money! I am 5'3" and not too strong. – Mary B.

Dear Mary,
My educated guess is that you would do better by buying a used bike in the 500-600cc range as a practice bike for when you finish and pass your course. That's what tons of VTwin Mama sisters have indicated was the BEST way to transition from riding course to their ultimate dream bike. One of the reasons is that your dream bike might make you nervous to ride on at first because you're so worried about dropping it, scratching it, eroding your confidence, etc. Look in the local newspaper classifieds and get a cheapy practice bike. The bet is that within 6 months to a year and a minimum of 1000 miles of practice under your belt, you will look at the 1100 with new appreciation and "can do" attitude.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't ride your beastie right off the bat. But what I would do is sit on that bike right now and check if your feet rest firmly on the ground with the bike off its sidestand. If they are not, the bike will need to be lowered or you need to add height to the heels of your boots. This might then not work for your hubby's riding. Work this out now. Also, can your arms comfortably reach the handlebars and the controls? If not, these need to be modified, and again, might not be comfortable for your hubby then. Discuss this now. If your bodies are too different, then you'll need to consider getting your own bike. By the by, winter is usually an excellent time to see if there will be a motorcycle show somewhere in your area -- a chance to sit on bikes of all makes and models and discover your own zone of comfort!

If you determine that the 1100 fits you ok and you want to work with it right off the bat -- just make sure that your hubby rides it to a "safe" zone -- an empty parking lot, etc., where there are no obstacles and distractions to complicate your initial handling of the bike. Then, nice and slow and easy. Go into first and practice a smooth stop until you can stop on a "dime." Then go for second gear and same thing. Then controlled wide turns. Etc. You get the picture.

Meanwhile, your course doesn't start for awhile. Why not take up free weight training to help build your upper body strength -- I guarantee it will make a difference. Either join a gym this winter for assistance, or pick up a book on the subject and some light 1, 2 and 5 pound weights at the local Wal-Mart. That's what I did! I think they've outlawed stretching machines, so your height can only be increased by adding a little bit to your boots. Onward! – Mama

Our first experience was in PA (north central) and it was a Dice Run. This is similar to the poker run except that at each stop you shake a closed jar (expect it could be open as well & dumped out) and get the score on the dice. The highest score at the end is the winner (and there is always the lowest score). Most runs are for charity, but some are for the clubs sponsoring them so be sure to check that out. – Donna aka FrogBiker (note from Mama: good point on noting the exact reason for the run -- these can be pricey sometimes depending on what the event is all about -- and you simply want to understand how your money is being used.)

I discovered the Sabre Owner's Group website for my Sabre and I imagine there is a website for V-Star riders. Most of these websites has a section dedicated to selling bikes and accessories. She may want to look for something like that. – Rebecca (note from Mama: thanks for the thought!)

Dear VTwin Mama,
I just placed an ad 2 days ago to sell my Harley FXDL and lo and behold, I open your newsletter to find your note asking for ideas on where to sell on the Internet. My buddy said yesterday, why don't you put it online? I said, Yeah, I'll probably end up with someone from Indiana who wants to buy it. I live in Pennsylvania.

I'd rather not sell it but need the money for down payment on a house. I decided I can always buy another one later. I'm curious to see what others have to say, what resources are out there. – Anna

Dear Anna,
This doesn't look as easy as I thought it would. Maybe because more people use the local paper and word of mouth through club affiliations to sell their bikes. Still, hopefully we'll get more input on TOP Internet sites to use to buy and sell. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
Good day... I'm quite new to this site, as I happened upon it quite by accident! I've been learning all kinds of great tips and suggestions here.

I just wanted to share my great experience with you. I attended my first Poker Run Road Rally at Konocti Harbor ( in No. Cal.) this past weekend! What an awesome ride! Even though I was on a VStar 650, the HD's let me come along! I had so much fun, and met so many people, that I can't wait for my next run! By the way, the Doobie Brothers and Foreigner weren't bad, either! :o)

Dear Teresa,
Glad you found us and thanks for the "atta girl." Remember, a rider is a rider no matter what make and model is hugging the road beneath them -- so don't let those HDers mess up your brain too much. All bikes are great when they're headed down the road with you on it! – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
What do you say -- do you want to go? Maybe you could let the others know of this run, at least the east coaters. Alliance MC is hosting a poker run for Multiple Sclerosis on Sunday, September 29 with sign-up from 10am till noon behind Empire Cycles on Sunrise Hwy in Amityville, NY. Riders -- $15, Passengers -- $5. Call (516) 509-8143 for more info. Thanks. – Sharon

Dear VTwin Mama,
This might sound ignorant, but what IS a poker run? I keep hearing different stories and don't know what is true. Thanks. – Bette

Dear Bette,
Hmmmm, I didn't realize there were variations on the poker run theme, but then anything is possible! Here is what it's always been as far as I know. During an organized riding event of some sort, a pre-planned ride route is designed with checkpoints along the way. You sign-up and ride the "course" picking up a playing card at each station. At the end of the run, you turn in your cards and the best poker hand from those cards wins! It's just a way to make an event more fun than just hanging around looking at crafts in booths, eating and listening to music. Let's see if they do it differently in other parts of the country/world -- sisters? – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I have been a part of the website for a few months now, since I bought my 650 V-Star custom. I took the MSF course and was thrilled and have been racking up miles on my bike. I am now ready to ride by myself, but my bike is SILENT. My husband wants me to put a set of pipes on to make it a little more noticeable, but for the life of me, I can not find a new set of pipes for my bike that are less than $500.00 (OUCH!) any ideas ???– Sharon in New York

Dear Sharon,
Most pipes have baffles inserted inside of them. Remove them completely or change them for something less quiet, and it should solve your hubby's desire for louder pipes. If these are stock pipes, check with your local dealer for possible changes, etc.

I agree, there are good points to louder pipes, especially the fact that you can "gun" the throttle to roar the pipes if you think a car in not noticing you -- which I do with great affect. Still, I'm sure the neighbors are glad that I do not have a job that requires me to leave at 6am or I'd blast them out of their beds! Sisters, anything to add here? – Mama

Thought I'd pose a question to your vast quantities of readers. I've asked the same question of my sisters at my board at ShinnySideUp.com and am getting some very valuable information. I thought I'd expand my knowledge from your readers.

Some background info first.... My sister-in-law had seen me riding and loving it. She'd been riding pillion and with my encouragement that she could ride her own...went out and bought a brand new VLX600. Her boyfriend was 'teaching' her and though she'd rode dirt bikes as a girl, we that have done so know; street riding on a street bike is a whole different ball game. I advised her that she shouldn't be "taking lessons" from anyone less than an MSF trained instructor and boyfriends, good as their intentions might be... AREN'T gonna be what it takes to learn to ride safely. We all (her, her b/f, my husband and I) went out for a ride and she scared me to no end... when I wasn't afraid of watching her crash, I was worried she was gonna rear end me. Wasn't the funest ride I'd ever done!

It came down to... she needed to learn and I was gonna be the one to teach her. But that would put me in the position of doing what I'd preached against... learning from someone that isn't trained to teach. To make a long story short...

A light came on for me and though I most likely won't be finished in time to help my sister-in law...I've started the process of becoming a MSF instructor/coach here in Washington state. I hopefully will complete my training by spring of next year and start teaching my own classes then.

What stands out in your mind ladies. Good and bad about your instructors? Anything you would have liked to have changed? And no... I can't make them damn cones go away...but I can take all the teaching tips I can get and ideas for how you would have liked to have had the class be better for you?

I'm looking for 'what made the difference' in your learning. What insights from your personal experiences would you have an instructor/coach know? I'm very excited and a bit intimidated at the responsibility of being a teacher. But I KNOW, this is what I'm here for. My own riding has surpassed levels I'd never thought I'd be able to achieve since I started learning to teach! Any and all help/insight will be very much taken to heart!

Thank you Petra for letting me use your awesome site to advance myself and future VTwin Mamas. – Terry aka HammerLady

Dear Terry,
Glad to be of service. Readers, here's your chance to talk about your riding course experiences, both good and bad -- but give details about how and why something worked or didn't, not just general statements. Post a message directly to Terry if you want, or to here and I'll pass it on and post it on the site. Let's learn from each other! – Mama

Let's see...I took the MSF course...started it 3 times - first time I fell off on a left turn - reschedule. Next attempt - I popped the clutch and almost ran over my instructor. Third time (I don't know when to quit!) - I made it thru even though I lost control of the bike and hit another student....passed, got my license and bought a Sportster. I dropped it 3 times the first day I took it out, a couple more times before I did the big one - turned left without leaning enough - hit the guard rail and flipped over it into the dirt - broke my wrist and had a concussion! But I had all the right clothing on (thanks to the course) and 2 months later - I am riding and am more confident and much more cautious, and aware of everything. It was hard getting back on - real hard but this is what I want to do, and I have gotten past that horrid fear of it. Why do we do something that we are afraid of? It is a challenge and a huge accomplishment to conquer these machines, and the reward is a great feeling of independence and awareness of the world - a feeling of being alive. (and a great way to get away from whining teenagers!)

I love reading stories from other women who have gone thru the same struggles to get their dream - I thought I was a real loser for falling, for buying "too much bike" , for getting injured, listening to friends and family try to talk me out of riding...I closed my ears to most of it and kept trying and now have stepped over that line form the insecurity to a place of cautious confidence.

I had a fellow female rider tell me "Never ride faster than your angel can fly." Good advice! Thanks for reading this...... – Lauralea, 2202 883 Hugger

Dear Lauralea,
You are my HERO -- not because of the dropsies, but because you hung in there, learned from it all, and kept going despite everything. Yes, I agree, it's hard to admit all the mistakes and keep your chin up in the face of naysayers. But as you discovered, there is honor and courage and inspiration in all of it and in the end your own self knowledge that you did it despite everything.

I always remember that I never want to look back and ask "what if." I also remember that the greatest risk is not taking one. We can't possibly grow if we play it safe all the time. Still, I like the angel thing and promise to keep mine in sight! So, it's ok to make mistakes and share them. Actually, it feels better when you get to admit them -- then you can smile and get on with it! – Mama

Just another suggestion for Shadow Mama's question regarding where to keep paperwork. I've only owned Hondas so I don't know if any of the other bikes do this but . . . Both of my Shadows had owners manuals that were stored in sturdy little Ziplock bags and mounted with Velcro inside one of the removable side panels of the bike. I just tucked the registration and proof of insurance in the Ziplock bag too and voila! waterproof and close at hand.

As far as my license goes - I quit carrying a purse years ago. It was such a hassle and I was always forgetting it so I ditched it! I now have a little wallet with one of those inserts for pictures in it. Instead of pictures I have my license, credit cards, membership cards, etc. in it. In the summer the wallet goes in a fanny pack and in the winter it goes in my jacket pocket. Works for me!

Also, I typed up an information card that is in the front of the wallet containing my medical history - including allergies and medications, contact numbers for my husband and parents, and health insurance info. You know . . . just in case. I'm a medic and cards like these are a real lifesaver! especially if they are carried on your person. On an accident scene the rescue workers are focused on patient care and if anyone goes through saddlebags or backpacks its usually the cops and it's usually much later after the ambulance has left (that is if the patient is unconscious and unable to tell us where to find the info). This type of information is so very important before transport to the hospital begins! Just thoughts to consider! Be safe out there! – Jennifer (note from Mama: now THAT's organized! But well worth it. The time to get it right is now, before crap happens!)

My current ride is a 1998 800 Intruder and it is one great bike. Fast, as in quick, doesn't care if you are loaded or not the power seems the same. I would recommend changing the seat for a Travelcade one. The only thing I don't like about the bike is the small fuel tank. Most of my riding is longer distance so not happy with having to stop for gas so often. I start looking for a gas station at 100 miles but can go average of 120- 130 before really needing to stop. Best I ever did was 140 miles to reserve and 147 miles to the gas station. I have a National Windshield on the bike. It really is an awesome bike just wish it had a bigger gas tank. – Cheryl (note from Mama: thanks for the input!)

Dear VTwin Mama,
Having been off bikes while my Son grew up a bit, am now considering Suzuki GSX 750 Intruder, any faults/problems you know of? Any really good things about it? – Rainbow Mulvaney

Dear Rainbow,
The only thing I can say is that the Suzuki Intruder 800 is one of the favorite bikes of women riders and from what I've seen, I like them as well. They handle nicely, sit low, and have enough oomph when needed. Also, the Street Bike site has bike reviews, so you might find something there. VTwin Mama sisters -- do you have any specific input for Rainbow? – Mama (note from 01/01/03: this site seems to be defunct, so try Leon's Motorbike Road Test Links Page)

Dear VTwin Mama,
My b/f was recently working on my bike but now we are through and I need to fix it myself. How do I clean out a carburetor? When I purchased the bike it had sat for about a year and my mechanic ex swears the carburetor needs to be cleaned out and it will work fine. Where can I find out where it is? I have a 94 Virago 535. – Anna from Philly

Dear Anna,
If it's still running, you can add some carburetor cleaner right into the gas -- buy at any local auto parts store. Not sure of what to do if it's not running -- probably pull the carb to clean -- but I've never done that before. Looks kind of tricky, lots of connections and settings. If you want to try, get a service manual for that bike (check www.motorcyclebooks.com or Amazon -- motorcycle books) and then follow instructions. Manual will also help you locate things, do regular maintenance, etc. Check with your local dealer to see if they have the manual available. Also, check with local dealer or bike shop to see how much they would want to clean it out. Maybe it's not too expensive. – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I sit and read about all of the gals talking about having to lower their seats because of their height---sad lol---I have the exact opposite "problem." I'm 6' 0" tall BAREFOOT. When I have my riding boots on, I tower a good 6' 2". Naturally, there's never a problem with my flat-footing any bike--but when I'm trying out & sitting on other bikes, sometimes my legs/knees are up in my face! :-(

(Remember the comedy show "Laugh In" with the man on the tricycle--well, it's not QUITE that bad!)

Think that doesn't feel weird? The woman who had my bike before me (I have a '97 Valkyrie standard) was about 5'2", and had lower shocks & a lower seat put on it, and she STILL couldn't flat-foot it. So..guess we all have our "fitting" problems, huh? :-) – Diann

Dear Diann,
Yup. I'm 5'10" and have actually sold a bike that after a long three state ride realized that the leg room just didn't cut it, and it already had crash bars with pegs attached. I guess it pays to be of average height, doesn't it! Hmmmm . . . I wonder if there is a support group/website for tall riders like there is for shorter riders?! – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I just returned from a 13 day road trip from Connecticut to Arkansas to North Carolina and home again. While in Arkansas I attended Star Days 2002 sponsored by Yamaha and Star Touring and Riding. I'm proud to say that I was given recognition for being a woman rider who rode 1550 miles to Star Days. I saw so many more women riding their own bikes than last year. The sizes varied from the V-Star 650 all the way up to the Road Star 1600. Some of the women won trophies for Best of Show and Best Custom. It was awesome see the women holding their own. Many women participated in a 200 mile Endurance ride and did very well.

I learned a lot about what can go wrong on a long trip. Due to the hot road conditions and the many highway miles I wore out a back tire and also lost a bolt out of my floor board which made it impossible to shift. I'm ashamed to say that I never gave any thought to checking things and I'm not so sure I would have known what to check anyway. Perhaps these topics could be added to your maintenance page. I also learned that no matter how hot it gets, and it was in the high 90's for many days, wear long sleeves and tons of sun screen. One last thing ~ while at Star Days I wore my VTwin Mama tee shirt and told as many women as I could about this site. I really missed reading the entries while away – Cindy from STAR

Dear Cindy,
Glad your trip was such a success and congrats on receiving the long distance award! I agree, there are soooo many things to be aware of in regard to the bike, so we'll just slowly add things to the Workshop forum as we can. I have to admit that for the longest trip I ever took (3500 miles), I had my local mechanic check over inch of the bike, every nut, bolt, tire, etc. It cost about $300 (which included a new rear tire and chain and other little things), and was well worth it.

And then, for no reason at all, stuff happens! I still remember buying my current bike, a '76 HD, and about a mile from where I purchased it, something broke apart with the shift lever mechanism. Thank goodness for duct tape!

Hope you took pictures on the trip -- send one of you and the bike sometime!– Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
I passed the MSF class on my second attempt. I entered the class full of hope and confidence. Nobody in my class of eight people, four women and four men, had any experience on motorcycles. I actually did very well according to my instructors in the first class. But, there are a couple of rules. One, you cannot drop your bike. Two, you cannot run into another classmate while riding your bike. My classmate was standing still in the take-off lane. I was on my way back to the starting position, traveling 5mph, when I hit her.

The person I hit was not hurt. As a matter of fact, she shared a worst experience she had going much faster than 5mph. After checking with the person I hit and me, two instructors wanted me to continue the class. They were over-ruled by their boss. Rules are rules. For my mistake, I was thrown out of class. Nobody bothered to tell me how I could have avoided the crash or the proper use of the clutch. Dreams all broken, I went home determined to return and pass the class.

For the record, the lady I ran into was also asked to leave the class after she dropped her bike. A second lady was asked to leave because she did something wrong with her clutch. I'm not sure why the other lady was asked leave class. Only the men passed the class.

I'm not one to give up easy. I signed up for another class. Ten people attended this class. Six of these people already had motorcycles. Four took the course on their own bikes.

Despite myself, I passed the class. Must admit my confidence is not what it was on the first day of class. I have an offer in on a bike. I'll keep you posted.

Message three days later: Funny thing happened over the weekend. I gave my phone number to a couple of classmates at both classes and one person from each class call to see how things are going with me. The guy from the first class called to say his Harley arrived and he's ready to break it in. As for the first class I enrolled in which he was a part, he felt the teacher cared more about his bikes (and said so) than teaching us to be comfortable with the bikes. His wife took the course with different instructor and she dropped her bike. Her instructor calmed her down and encourage her to pick it up and keep going. Also, in his wife's class, several people had wayward bikes. The teacher spent more time with them showing them their mistakes and how to correct/save the situation. His wife passed the test and has warned him, she's taking the bike out on her own. What can I say, different teachers, different teaching methods.

The guy from the second class called to give me a bit of encouragement too. He's one of the people who already owns a Harley and been riding a little over six months. He assured me that when I start riding at higher speeds, in class I rode at 3 to 12mph, I will have better control of the bike. He promised to help when I get my bike. I'm still eyeing that bike out my window. – Bea

Dear Bea,
It's amazing how mean and small-minded some people can be. Honestly, I can appreciate the no dropping/run into rules for ultimately passing the class, but why be kicked out? This is the safe place your supposed to be to learn. Learn being the operative word. All I can say is that these instructors sound idiotic and I'm so glad you kept your courage up to sign up for another class and pass.

As for your confidence level -- hmmmm -- my suggestion is to get in touch with other women riders in your area and get the support you need. Check the links at the bottom of my home page for organizations. Even if you don't have that bike you bid on yet, my guess is that someone will be willing to talk with you, offer support, and maybe even help you test ride some bikes. Give it a shot -- their are so many kind people in this world -- and you'll find them -- don't be shy about asking -- remember, they have been where you are now!

As for it being easier to ride when you're going a little faster, I agree. However, eventually you need to master all skills at all speeds, so keep that in mind. And you go girl! – Mama

Dear VTwin Mama,
How do ya get over being scared after an accident? This really stinks! I have been a passenger for over 20 some years and have only once before been involved in an accident -- that is, until August 17th. The last accident, where some one just ran us off the road and did some minor damage to the bike and I sprained my neck was so long ago I hardly remember it and there was quite some time in between ridding again so I didn't have this problem., but now I am asking you ladies for some advice here for I have 2 problems!

One is I am scheduled to take the Motorcycle Safety Course starting the 5th. of September and two -- we are supposed to go to the Delmarva Bike Week in Ocean City, Maryland the second week in September. I will now tell ya about our accident.

We went to my Brother-In-Law's funeral Saturday morning (17th) and that evening we need to go for a ride to clear the cob webs out, so we went and had some dinner, on the way home we were run into from behind by a 1 Ton Stake Body Trick (I think that is correct term for it). It ran into the back of us, thank God we had our trailer behind us or it would have been ten times worse. We were coming to a stop at a light, my Ole Man had just started to put his feet down when the truck ran into the back of us, thank God the light turned green right as it was happening or we would have been made into a sandwich, as it was the cars in front of us pulled off so that was prevented. The truck pushed up the road about 4 to 5 feet and it landed on top of our trailer, our poor beautiful trailer! Well, it used to be beautiful!

But I sustained injury to my back, I had already had problems with my back, bulges at the L5S1 level so this is not good for me. Besides the extra pain caused by this and a numbness and tingling going down my leg the main problem is I am afraid to get back on the bike right now, I have waited years, especially the last 3 to get into this course! What the hell do I do? Any suggestions would really be appreciated! – Genie aka HrlyLady

Dear Genie,
Well you definitely got the ol' one-two-three punch on this series of events. Condolences again on losing B-in-L Floyd. Meanwhile, it sounds like your body has taken a huge beating and as much as I hate to say it, I'd postpone taking the course if the aches and pains are still with you at a high enough level to distract you from concentrating on the course material and riding. More courses will be available down the road for you -- just a minor delay. Bummer.

As to getting over accidents -- well, in my experience, you really never get over them. You get pissed of about it, on with it, through with it, learn from it, and talk about it -- but never over it. It boils down to how much riding means to you that will determine if and when you get on a bike again, passenger or solo. There is no rule of thumb. It's in your heart and you know deep down inside what you really feel -- that's the key. So listen to yourself and above all, don't lie to yourself. You'll never be happy with your choice if you lie to yourself, no matter what that choice is. Remember, when one door shuts, others open -- and even if you temporarily shut this one, it doesn't mean you can't open it up again later. So chin up -- we're behind you 100%. Life is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. Not sure who said that, but I try to remember that all the time. – Mama

Just want to first say how much I love your site and what a great job you are doing. I thought I would share what I do with my bike registration and insurance card. I keep them in my leather jacket, inside pocket always. Every time I ride, I take my jacket. Then all I need to get from my purse is license, money, credit card and anything else . As soon as I get my registration & insurance card for the new year in the mail, they go directly to my jacket. That way I don't risk losing them and stress out trying to locate them. I have been riding for 6 years and this has worked for me. – Sue in Poplar Grove, IL (note from Mama: so very VTwin Mama smart -- I just hate stress!)

I finally gave up and just have two wallets, one with all my motorcycle stuff, my cash, and major credit cards. This is a small wallet that does fit into my back pocket. Then, when I'm not riding, this wallet goes into my purse. I have a second, bigger wallet containing all my other cards, checkbook, etc., that stays in my purse. I've tried a few things, but this seems to be the least hassle for me. I don't have to switch stuff back and forth, and I know that whenever I have that small wallet, I've got everything I need for my bike. – Sunishine (note from Mama: again, it looks like any method where you don't have to switch actual pieces of paper back and forth is the smart thing.)

I agree with you mama that a back pack strapped to the sissy bar is the way to go. It is cheap and holds lots of "stuff." There is also the more expensive "T-Bags" and other brands that attach to the sissy bar.

Another thought that I have recently done is use a magnetic tank bag. Mine is by Marsee but there are others. Mine has extra pockets. I use one for my sunglasses and cheater glasses, the second for the cell phone and phone numbers, the third for keys and what ever. The main bag has a zipper mesh area for the bike manual, insurance papers, a small notebook and pen. In the main compartment I put my small purse, camera, a very small bag with chap stick, Advil, toweletts, and female products, and a small pair of field glasses. The top of the main compartment has anther zip bag with clear plastic top to use for maps. I use a windshield and I have not had any problem with the tank bag flying off but it comes with an attachment to fit around the triple clamp to keep it in place. At first I was worried that the bag might scratch my gas tank but so far no problems and I have used the bag for over two seasons. – Cheryl (note from Mama: and more easily accessible and compartmentalized than a back pack -- I'm forever rooting around to find stuff, but at least I have it with me!)

The Sportster is a fine machine that can work for you. I have a 2002 1200 that my husband bought for me in May. Before that I spent several months on an '81 Sportster 1000, and before that my training bike was a Suzuki 300. I love my new Sportster. It is a dream to drive, so responsive in the corners. However, my husband had the dealer lower it 1&1/2" in the front & 1 & 3/4" in the back before it was even delivered. He guessed at these measurements using my height - 5' '7" and weight - 125 as guidelines and it turned out to be exactly what I needed! I also wear some great Harley boots with thick heels & soles.

The reason why I ended up with the Sporty is because I was looking for a bike with plenty of power, but small in size. My husband drives a 2001 Valkyrie so I wanted a Shadow of some sort to "match". But it just seemed that all the larger engine metric bikes were too "fat" for me and intimidating. Enter the Sporty - a smaller stature bike with a big engine.

It just felt right, and it sounds and feels so good! t is the absolute best bike for me. My husband says that we (me & my luxury blue "Star") fit together perfectly, and the more I drive her the more I feel it. So yes definitely, as most of the other women on this site recommend, start with a smaller bike, and then sit on and try out everything you can to find the right machine for you. And that just may be that Sporty that you want. Good Luck.

P.S. Very informative site, Mama. The workshop is a great idea. Had to clean the plugs on that old Sporty once in the parking lot at work. Would not have gotten home without that wrench and brush! Keep up the great work. – Paula (note from Mama: thanks for the atta girl and helping Sue think through the Sporty choice. You've provided lots of good pointers for her to check on!)