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2008 (January through ...) Hi VTwin Mama, Anyway, I have a question I'm hoping someone can answer. This question is related to downshifting in a way ... I recently tried out a Kawasaki Vulcan 500 and loved it for its low seat height, v-twin power and looks. Only issues I had with it were the forward controls, same as with other cruisers in this class (except the Suzuki S40, is a single cylinder). I'm 5'1" and had trouble using the shifter and rear brake because they were too much of a stretch for my legs. I've read about people moving the controls further forward, but can one just as easily move the controls backward? Something tells me no, because I haven't read any mention on it. If not, are there other things that can be done to mod the bike to make it more comfortable and safer for me to ride? Thank you! El from Maine Dear
El, We have fielded a few questions about bringing forward controls a bit further back, but I seem to recollect that manufacturers and aftermarket companies do not routinely offer ready-made assemblies to do this ... it's been a matter of going to an independent bike shop to see if they can construct something useful to either bring the whole mess back, or if the footpeg is ok, but the brake pedal and/or shifter is too long to reach from the footpeg, to create something shorter. I guess I would go back to the dealer and explore whether just the actual levers can be switched out as often times another model in the lineup will have a shorter lever that can be substituted. In looking at a close-up picture of that Vulcan, I can't see anything poking out from the center of the motorcycle that would push your leg/calf outwards, which can happen on some bike designs. So no help there on leg reach. Normally at this point I would advise that you look for a different seat, once design to move your sitting position more forward, but even here, I see that Corbin isn't offering a Vucan 500 solution. That means you would need to do more research on that and/or have that seat customized by adding more foam into it and then recovering the seat. I know that we've heard from shorter gals on this bike and am now hoping that they'll be chiming in with what they found! Mama Monday, January 14 Dear VTwin Mama, Happy New Year!
I read Breaking the Limit by Karen Larsen and I also think it's a
great book. Well written, and what an adventure! Just what I'd love to
do.
I wrote to you awhile ago when I got my Volusia 800, and I think your
site is great. I have another new bike now, so my husband Mike and
I can ride together. Last spring we bought a VStrom 650, and we
both love it. It's a little tall, that's why I wasn't comfortable
starting out with it, but after a couple seasons on the Volusia, I had
to get the VStrom, and it's a great handling bike. It looks big,
but it feels light and it turns so nice and feels so smooth. I
rode to Vermont three times last summer, and it was super.
I also want to tell you and your readers about the 2008 Alaska Ladies
ride tour that Alaska Rider Tours is running this Summer (June 27 - July
5). I read about it in Rider Magazine and checked it out at www.akrider.com.
It looks awesome, and what a great way to see Alaska, so I signed
up to go. Mike and I talked about us both taking one of their
other tours, but it would be too much money, so he'll stay home and take
care of the boys. Lucky me! They need a minimum of four riders to
run the trip, so if anyone out there is interested, go for it!
I had both bikes out today, not real long rides, but enough to give the
bikes some exercise. Not bad for January in New York.
Keep up the good work! Jennifer in Long Island, New York Dear Jennifer, I think Winter has been odd for many of us, but if the road is clear, the sun is shinning, and the temps aren't hideously low, I'm out and about in it! Of course, that's easier for me to say way down in Mobile, AL! The tour sounds terrific ... I've always fantasized about one that would allow me to really relax and enjoy the ride, with everything else taken care of! Many hugs to your hubby dearest who is staying home to take care of stuff while you enjoy an adventure of a lifetime. Soon you'll be able to share those adventures together! Mama Thursday, January 17 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Tanya, Monday, January 28 Dear VTwin Mama, In your discussions and show attendance have you had anyone talk about lowering the 2008 Street Glide (FLHX) and/or re-positioning or getting an extension to the stand to help those of us who are vertically challenged? I really like the way this bike handles and it makes my Deluxe feel like a kids toy now. Help please. I really want to get my upgrade for my 54th B-day next month so I can get use to it and be ready for our ride to Daytona in March. Of course I could go with the 2008 Deluxe but I was really looking for the Street Glide with all the "stuff" I want already on it as stock. Thanks. Sharon in Knoxville, TN Dear Sharon, Since the Street Glide falls under the Touring section, I looked closer at that seat ... I'm thinking some of that plushy side could be trimmed out ... go sit on the 2008 again and see if that seat is pushing your thighs out a bit before your legs can go down ... a local upholsterer should be able to trim it up for a happier fit. You may even want to check out what LePera or Corbin offers as some models are designed to be slimmer through the sides. It might also explain why you can't get your foot hooked under that sidestand, but the Harley dealer should be able to come up with aftermarket extenders to take care of that. Mama Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Drea, I always say a 250cc bike can get you into a lot of trouble if you don't take the time to master the throttle as it relates to the clutch lever. This is where power is engaged and disengaged and coordinating the two is really important. On any new bike, head to an empty parking lot and do controlled duckwalks (just enough power to move steadily forward without zooming up and down in speed, stalling, or having to pick up your feet. When you've got that the rest will work much more easily! I hoping that in these bikes you're looking at, that you've really considered your arm and leg reach to the controls as well as leg reach to ground. I'd go back and sit on all of them again and get it off the sidestand ... and do a bit of rolling back and forward and leaning slightly side to side. You'll be able to feel the balance/weight difference, which is also important. Meanwhile, you can always increase the power of those lesser cc bikes (should you get one of those) with a big air (hypercharger) kit, but truly it will not really ever match the natural 800cc. I learned on a 750 and unless you're really nervous coming out of the course, I'd be looking at 750 and 800cc bikes that fit your height or can be modified to do so. Good luck in your course ... we stand by to assist if you need us! Mama Monday, February 4 For Drea who is wondering about cc size on her first bike choice: I agree [with Mama] that a 250 can feel pretty big when you are first getting started. I am 5 feet tall, and I loved my 250 Rebel as a starter bike. Plus, there is always a great market when you are ready to sell and get something bigger. I ride a Yamaha V-Star 650 Classic now and it is plenty of bike for now. Always better to have too little than too much while you are learning! Good luck and welcome to the group! Anon (note from Mama: yes, losing confidence on something too big can be a real deal breaker, i.e. giving up too early in the adventure ... something smaller may have to be sold quickly, but it's better than the mental anguish of confidence-busting problems IMHO.) Tuesday, February 12 For El who is considering a bike but those darn pedals are too far from the footpegs: I sorry to here that you're under the weather!! Just keep your spirits up! and think positive! Spring is coming. I'm a shorty too coming in at 5'1". Last year I bought a Suzuki Marauder 800 ... big mistake. It was to high and very uncomfortable to drive so I didn't drive it. I did a lot of studying and read different reviews on different motorcycles, and I came up with a perfect shorty bike, (Ready) it's a Honda Shadow VLX 600 cc ... ideal. I had the good fortune of finding a guy on Kijiji [free local classified ads], who had the bike and wanted a bigger one, both bikes were equal in valve and the same year. So we just traded square. I got the better deal. It's got forward controls and a seat height of 25.6" It's perfect for me, and I just love that it weights in at 446 pounds. Has steer bars, slim tank, great seat, it's a great little bike for someone who is short, So if you can try one of these out first before you buy, I think you'd like it even more, Good Luck And I hope everything goes well for ya!! Anonymous (note from Mama: thanks for sharing what you found to really for your height ... sounds like the deal was just awesome, and of course it is, 'cause you're still riding!) Tuesday, February 12 Hi VTwin Mama, Dear Anon, Next I would look at riding boots ... a good pair will already have a nice thick sole (with a cut waffle pattern for traction), but if it's quality, then a shoe repair shop can add more sole to it (it's got to be stitched together, not glued). May take a bit getting use to walking, but I'm hearing more and more gals are going for the option as needed! Last, I'll mention that if you're reaching for those handlebars, even a bit, a pullback riser may help you sit up straight and not pull your legs out of alignment ... something to check when next you see the bike ... and most likely buy it! Mama Wednesday, February 27 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Jenny, While scooters can be purchased for less, I'm not sure I'd recommend them for higher speed roads you need to be on unless you went up to a bigger size, and then we butt against the price issue. If your pocketbook has a bit more room, let's say up to $3,500, you'll find 250cc bikes like the Ninja 250 (sport style), Honda Rebel 250 (cruiser), Suzuki GZ250, or a Yamaha Virago 250. The reason I started out with new bikes is that you won't be buying something you know nothing about in terms of maintenance, etc. However, with the models I listed above, you may find price points for a used bike lower than a new Kawi Eliminator, although there has been a recent buying frenzy on these smaller bikes because of gas prices. So, I would check the local paper and online channels for classified ads to see what's available. It's important to note that other costs are going to hover nearby ... registration, taxes, insurance, maintenance items, and riding gear. They are mechanical beasties that need to be fed and you don't want to be out and about without proper protection. So, start with that list and visit dealerships to sit on bikes and get some beginning ideas together. Mama Hi there Mama, I'm looking for 'my perfect bike.' I have been riding bikes on and off for many years, as a young girl in the bush and later on a Honda 250cc for a year to work every day. That was about 10yrs ago. I'm now 36yrs old, 5'6" and about 138lbs and have just recently got the 'bug' again. I've been tonking about on a Honda Rebel 250cc and a 200cc Scooter but want to buy something bigger now. I'm eying a Harley Sportster 883 Custom, but to be honest, am a little nervous about the weight of the bike. I want to ride on the weekends and hopefully get a few hours in around the city and occasionally on the open road. I also like a bit of power. Have there been positive reviews on the Sportster by women and can you give me some suggestions on others I might feel comfortable with? Thank you so much, looking forward to your reply. Cheers, Sherri : ) Dear Sherri, You can start by reading a review on my site of that Sporty you're interested in from a gal with 20 years of riding experience. Then you can hop onto my Motorcycles for Short Riders page and see not only a list to understand how bikes can be modified if they sit too high, but a list of makes/models with the rider's height and any modifications they made. While one does have to consider the weight of a motorcycle, I think the balance of the weight is the bigger issue. You want something you're comfortable on coming to a stop, something you can hold up with your leg on a slight lean angle, and one that you can roll forward and backward for parking, etc. Once the bike is moving, then it's about your skill level, practice, and learning the specific handling characteristics while its on the move. The only way to get a weight/balance feel is to visit a dealer, take along a notebook, and sit on bikes! Any bikes! Write the make/model down, sit on it, get it off the side stand, lean a bit left and right to feel it (with your hand on the front brake so it doesn't roll), roll a bit forward and back, turn that handlebar all the way to one side and check your hand reach to the controls, and check your leg reach to controls and to the ground. Then get on another bike and do the same. After awhile, you'll develop a sense of things and be able to look at models with a more clear vision. Visit dealers as many times as you need even if you're pretty sure you're going to buy a used bike! What would I recommend you look at? Yamaha VStar 650, Suzuki Boulevard S40 or S50, Kawasaki Vulcan, any of the Honda Shadow 750s, and that Sportster. And if you go back to my Reviews by Women index page, you'll find some reviews of these models also. Another source of women's riding reviews can be found at WomenRidersNow.com. At the bottom of this page, don't miss the Archives link to more! Ok, hopefully these thoughts will get you started on finding that "it's truly the bike for me" motorcycle! Mama Tuesday, March 4 From Sherri who was bike shopping and needed some weight advice: Thank you SO much for your response! After reading your reply and armed with my DAYS of research, I rode a few of the models you listed and knew instantly the Sportster 883C was for me. My husband ended up buying the Yamaha V-Star 650 and we're both so happy! We can't wait to clock up the miles....but hubby needs his bike license first, lol. Thanks again! Sherri (note from Mama: you are welcome and many happy road miles to you both!) Hey Mama, Dear Too Small For a Bike, A nice way to narrow down the search is by going to WantFacts. Click on Research New, Motorcycles, Search by Feature. Then limit the search by all sorts of things, including your cc range, but be aware that many of the 250cc bikes are actually more like 240cc (so I searched from 230cc to 550cc). The lowest seat height sport bike that showed up was the Buell Blast, which is a 492cc bike with a seat at 27.5". I then remembered that the newest model has an option for a lower seat at 25.5" and you can see both of those on this specific Buell Blast page. On my site there are two additional research tools ... the Motorcycles for Short Riders list and the new Motorcycle Fit Charts. The list will give you an idea of what modifications can be made and shows make/model with rider's height and notes, and the charts show pictures of riders on bikes (but we just started this effort, so it's not as helpful as it can be just yet!). So, in some cases, where a bike has a higher seat height, there may be ways to bring that down a bit so it works for you. Since you haven't been on any bike for quite some time, you should consider taking a riding course ... interestingly enough, Harley-Davidson's Riders Edge course uses the Blast (they own Buell), so that may be a great way to check things out! Mama Friday, March 21 Dear VTwin Mama, I have a couple of issues: I am not quite 5 feet tall and have short legs even for my height (they cut 2 inches of padding out of the seat of the 200) and I'd like to find a bike with good gas mileage. I'm having trouble finding any information on mileage for motorcycles. Do you have any suggestions for researching this information and/or suggestions for good bikes for short ladies? Thanks for any advice! Judy D. in Georgetown, TX Dear Judy, Shorter riders are making all sorts of motorcycles fit them, using a set of modification possibilities, which can be found on my Motorcycles for Short Riders list. On this page you'll also find charts organized by mfg. which notates the rider's height and mods they did, and there is a link that shows an ascending list of bikes by seat height (although it was done in 2006, it's still useful). We're starting to also build the Motorcycle Fit Charts with pictures of riders on bikes so you can envision yourself on that make/model, but it's just getting started. I think with these tools you'll be able to get to a "short list" of bikes of interest. Mama Friday, March 21 For Too Small For a Bike, who is shopping for something to fit: I would strongly urge her to consider the Kawasaki Ninja 250. It is an extremely light bike and has the lowest seat height of any sporty motorcycle. The ones from the last 20 years are all the same, but the new 2008 model is a bit different - a bit higher, a bit heavier, a bit more expensive and a bit less power. It's not all bad, though--there are a lot of cool things about the new version as well. It's worth noting that since the release of the '08, though, I've seen the '07s sell for less than $2,000 brand new at clearance events.The problem with a lot of smaller bikes is that people tend to "outgrow" them, but this doesn't seem to be nearly as big an issue with the 250 (I'm not really sure why, but people regularly seem to be "downsizing" to them from larger bikes, and have them for 100,000+ miles.) I used to ride a Yamaha 650 cruiser, but it just never clicked for me, so I sold it and bought the Ninja 250. The person to whom I sold it later also bought a Ninja 250R. Now I'm actually looking at buying ANOTHER Ninja 250. You mention the Buell Blast in your response, Mama. I'm quite a fan of Buells (despite what my friends think of them) but the Blast doesn't impress me much. It's pretty expensive, it's not a sportbike (it's a standard, somewhere between a cruiser and a sportbike), and for some reason I can't explain, it has twice the engine size of the Ninja 250 while still having significantly less power. Obviously, nothing anyone writes will be anywhere near as practical as actually getting to sit on the bikes and see how they feel, but for the situation that was described, I'd strongly urge the Kawasaki 250R be on your "must check out" list. Skippii (note from Mama: very true, the Blast is categorized as a standard rather than sporty; but to me the "look" is still there. The seat height on the '08 Ninja 250 model is 30.5" but I see in the list for short riders that 5'0" and 5'1" people have made it work for them.) Monday, March 24 For Too Small For a Bike, who is shopping for something to fit: I just purchased a 2003 Kawasaki ZZR600 with a seat height of 30''. I'm 5'4" and I can flat foot this bike. I have found that Kawasaki has a narrower seat and it makes for reaching much better. Also this bike can be lowered by 2 inches if needed. Not all sport bikes can be lowered. I never thought I would find a sport bike to fit without lowering it, and the salesman showed me this bike as I was looking at others. This bike is also extremely easy to ride and has enough power that I will not outgrow any time soon and fits me perfectly. I'm not sure when they changed the seat height, but I know the 2008s are much higher. This bike is considered a sport tourer and I'm in love. I've already named her "My Baby Kaw." I hope this helps you. Anonymous (note from Mama: the picture of you on the ZZR600 is uploaded into the new Motorcycle Fit Charts ... thank you so much for sharing!) Monday, March 24 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Anon, While it's true that sport-style bikes do pose more challenges for shorter riders, all is not lost. But it's going to take some time on your part to look through the information and then work with a local dealer to get what you want. But it can be done, so keep at it! We'd love to hear back once you've found your solution, with a picture of course to include in the Motorcycle Fit Charts! Mama Monday, March 24 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Anon, Looking at a 1500 Classic entry on my Motorcycle for Short Riders list, which has a 27.6" seat height, I see Progressive shocks lowered the bike by 3", they had to lower the front as well, which turned out to be 2.5" and the 5'0" rider changed out seats to come down another inch and added pullback risers to bring the handlebar into better position. A 5'5" rider on the same bike noted that no modifications were necessary. Typically however, if you're purchasing new, it's time to talk to a salesperson and make the lowering of the bike part of the overall purchase price because it looks like you're in for a multi-step process to get the fit right. But, armed with this information, and a review of the links I shared with you, you'll be able to talk about modifications with much more confidence! If you've already bought the bike, then check your stock shock length, order a shorter one online or through the dealer and check into lowering the front fork. Shave out some of the stock seat or get a new one and don't forget that boots with more sole can make up the difference! Mama Saturday, April 5 Dear VTwin Mama, I need
some advice on what bike I should buy; please can you help me if its
not too much bother. Dear Kim, In starting my research, it occurred to me that models offered in the US don't necessarily mirror what's available in other countries, so I hopped onto the Honda UK site and lo and behold, below the usual classifications of cruisers, sport, etc., there was a link specifically for 125cc! Many of the models were scooters, which I would stay from unless you plan on riding a bike with an automatic transmission in the future (mega scooter). Next, I noticed, which was not unexpected, that the sportier style bikes have higher seat heights, and at 5ft height, that's important. So, for instance, the XR125L is 820mm (32") which is super high! Compare that to the VT125C Shadow at 680mm (26.8") and you can see where this portion of the topic is going! Even if you're thinking of buying used, it's good to figure out what models to look for and if possible, visit a dealership and sit on them. Then you can look in the newspaper with greater confidence! As always, when you sit on a bike, you are looking to see if the reach to the handlebar controls is comfortable (and turn that bar all the way one way and check again), leg reach to ground (best if it's not tippy toes in any way, but boots can make up for some reach problems), and leg reach to foot controls. So, beyond Honda, I'd look at the other big Japanese names, Suzuki, Kawasaki and Yamaha. The main reason is that the $$ (oops, the ££) are generally at the lower end. And now think about it; if everyone has to start on these smaller bikes, then there's bound to be a lively used market for them. At least, that's what I 'm guessing, but there's a lot of water in the "pond" between our continents, and I could wrong (little bikes here were bought very quickly when gas prices started climbing horribly again). I hope this helps you go shopping! Mama Dear VTwin Mama, Spring is here and I took my bike to the parking lot to practice again. It felt HUGE!! I felt terrified. Not while I was going, but when I came to a stop and started off. My feet aren't flat and this really scares me. I ended up in tears, stopped riding and came home. Not what I had hoped for a beautiful sunny Sunday. I think if I just had a smaller bike, one I could touch flat foot I would feel more confident (my bike course was on a Virago 250). I really want to ride. I have been my hubby's passenger for 22 years. I love bikes and I do love riding. I just get so scared and I stop. I will try a smaller bike (lower seat with my feet flat). I hope this is what I need to keep riding. Any bike suggestions? I like sport bikes but the reach and foot placement seems wrong for me.....should I stick with a cruiser style bike? I love this site, glad I found it and glad I am not the only short female feeling what I am feeling. Makes me want to keep trying. Thanks, Won't Quit Dear Won't Quit, But do not despair, as a 500cc bike is truly a nice size in the mid-range section and for the continued learning curve. If I told you that we could get your feet flat on the ground, would you be excited to get back to the practice parking lot?! Ok, check out Adjustment Tech. If your Ninja is a 1995 or newer model, they have both a fixed link and an adjustable link lowering system. And please take another look at your riding boots ... you get much better traction is they've got that waffle cut bottom! Then head back to the practice lot and start from the beginning. Duck walk drills (gets your clutch friction zone and throttle coordinated smoothly). Simple straight-line starts and stops (gets your front/rear braking coordinated). Big lazy lazy turns (make sure your head and eyes are looking at where you want to end up and only use the back brake if you need a bit of slow down). Then plan some simple road rides when traffic is at the lowest (typically Sunday mornings). Should you go to a smaller cc motorcycle or a cruiser style instead of what you really like? IMHO, no ... you've got a nice bike, it can be adjusted to meet your needs, and your new season jitters are perfectly normal. Mama Monday, April 7 Hi VTwin Mama, Dear Anon, These kinds of links can be found using the Home Page main navigation link: Get Started. There are listings of riding courses and sites especially useful for the newer rider! Mama Monday, April 14 Hey VTwin Mama, Dear Sonia, One's first bike is rarely perfect because without road miles you don't have the experience to compare and contrast bike set-ups. But that doesn't mean you can't find something that will work for you! Given your budget constraints, you may wish to put together a list of bikes to consider using the tools above and then visit dealers to sit on them for yourself and talk about modifications. Then look at classified ads for used ones. A used one, that fits your budget, could then be modified by a dealer's service department. Mama Tuesday, April 15 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Shrimp, First, check your bike set-up. Do your feet firmly reach the ground at a stop? If not, get new boots with a higher sole, shave the seat down some, get a new lower seat, get shorter shocks, or lower the bike. Check your arm reach to hand controls ... get a pullback riser if the hand controls are causing you to lean or hunch forward. If the distance is fine but your wrists up arched up, loosen the controls and rotate them towards you so your wrists are in a straight line. Check your leg reach to foot controls. Not much you can do there, but a different seat might solve that as well. Then: If after all of this, the bike and you just don't connect, get a small, used, but running bike for more practice. But don't give up. Email back and tell me if any of this gets you moving forward or if we need to address other issues and concerns! Mama Tuesday, April 22 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Niesha, So, there are quite a number of sport-style bikes that are already lower in seat height, still in the mid-range engine cc size, and the MSRP is listed as well. It's a quick guide to help you narrow down what you want to take a look at while visiting dealerships. Let's also note that your inseam is actually very helpful in looking at seat heights ... as some shorter people do in fact have longer legs, which makes a difference! Another think you'll find is that some seats are narrower, so thighs aren't thrust out so far before dropping to reach the ground! An average inseam is just under 50% of your overall height, so at 5'0" that would be about 28". As you can see on the Seat Heights, anything over your inseam is already going to be a challenge ... meaning you need to add height with a good boot and thick/sturdy soles, talk to the salesperson about lowering the bike, or other tips found on my Motorcycles for Short Riders list at the top. Knowing how a bike can be modified or you can do something about your riding gear will put you in good position to noodle out what will work! Of course, if you haven't taken a riding course, that would be a good place to start, as it will help you check things out. I think you might like the Harley Rider's Edge course because they use a Buell Blast 492cc bike for practice (it's listed under Standard) and if they set one up with a 25.5" low profile seat (an option), you would be set to learn! Give all that some thought and keep working on your research! Mama Tuesday, April 22 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Brooke, So, take a look at my new Motorcycle Engine CC page ... print it out. A decent, respected bike on a budget is probably something in the 500-700cc range, and I think you will find a good looking cruiser, but don't rule out the Standards either. You can highlight the ones that even new are more budget conscious. Then look at the seat heights. You're looking for something right around your inseam measurement or a bit lower. Circle things that make sense! Then you can visit dealerships to sit on bikes on your "short list" to get a feel so you have some ideas of what you'll be really checking for in the classifieds. That'll bring your cost down, but the fit will still be there. If something is sitting a little higher than you want, you can correct with a good pair of boots, shave down the seat a bit, or get a lowering kit (make sure to double check on the older bikes). This should get you started on your research! Mama Tuesday, April 22 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Shannon, If you think you are alone at your height ... you're not! Hop onto my Motorcycles for Short Riders page and find out the top ways height-challenged people get bikes to fit, along with specific input from real women and men who have shared their data with this site! Mama Tuesday, April 22 Hi VTwin Mama, Dear MJ, If you look at the new Motorcycle Engine CC page, I think that would be a good place to start. You want to home in on the 600-800cc range ... a good mid-size that won't be overwhelming but that you won't outgrow right away. Then mark the ones with the lowest seat heights and a MSRP you could live with. Even if you don't buy new, it'll give you a starting point to more quickly scour the classifieds! A quick look shows me you have about 10 models in the cruiser style that'll probably work pretty nicely without modification depending on your actual inseam. The sport and standard styles tend to be a bit more of a challenge for shorter riders, but use my Motorcycle Seat Height page to take a closer look and cross reference. Don't rule something out that might be just a bit high ... my Motorcycles for Short Riders list gives you top tips on talking to the dealer salesperson or service person about modifying a new or used motorcycle! Mama Dear VTwin Mama, Now, it's my turn ... I am scheduled to take the Motorcycle Riding Course (for beginners) in May. I have always wanted to ride, but never really have had the opportunity to learn ... and it looks like I need to "just do it" ... and stop waiting.. So here I go. My question is this: my fiancι tells me (and from what I've been reading) to buy a smaller type of bike, to get comfortable with it. I personally have fallen in love with the Fat Bob and the Night Rod. I've sat on both of these, and at first it's a bit intimidating, but I'm in hopes that once I learn how to ride, I will be more comfortable with it. I am 5'5", and weigh about 120. Should I be worried about the size of these? Are they too big? Should I start out smaller? The woman at the HD dealership stated that many women start out with a Sportster, but then they get bored with it in about 2 months... Nervous, and not yet riding Dear Nervous, My counsel is unflagging in that I truly believe that one should take the motorcycle course before making any final decisions on buying a motorcycle. There's no reason that you can't shop around, but the course is going to give you a reality check to base next decisions on. What you're going to find out is not only how you fit on the bikes they use for the course, but how much of a natural you are or if the course is showing you that continued practice on a less powerful bike is a good choice for you. Most courses use a 125cc or 250cc, but HD may use their Buell Blast at 492cc. Any dealership is in the business of selling bikes. As it's the cruiser style I assume you're most interested in, a HD shop would have the Sporty 883 (in a number of variations) as there lowest engine cc offering. The Sporty 883 is 900cc, while the Night Rod moves to 1300cc and the Fat Bob up to 1600cc. Do some get the Sporty and then move up quickly? Absolutely. But read on. Now, here's another that can happen. You take the course, you do ok, but now you're going to need a lot of parking lot practice with the bike you choose. It can be nerve wracking to get that practice time in with a new bike as dropping it on an oopsie can erode confidence quickly. It's hard to concentrate on the lesson if you're worried about banging up a new paint job, chrome, etc. That is why so many get a smaller, used, cheap bike first ... get the oopsies and practice in on that, get some actual road miles under your belt, and then you're really in position to once again sit on bigger dream bikes and gauge the fit and power level. IMHO, your $$ commitment will feel much more "earned" as well ... Good luck with your course, keep shopping because it's fun, and take your time to make sure the decisions are based on a good foundation of learning! Mama Monday, April 28 Dear Petra, My challenge as a rider is my height at just UNDER
5 tall! I have to really stand up straight to call myself five
feet tall. At age 51, I took the MSF course and fell 4 times,
skinned my arm really badly but did not give up. I packed my long
sleeve with ice and finished the course. Four months later, I found a Honda Rebel 250 through
the classified ads. I am the third woman owner of the bike and
purchased it with 1700 miles. It now has over 3400 miles in less
than 18 months. I figured the only way to really learn to ride is
ride, baby, ride! Im very fortunate that there are wonderful roads with
great twisties only minutes from where I live in Blacksburg, VA near VA
Tech University. I can take a 20 - 40 minute loop through the
countryside, enjoy beautiful scenery, practice my skills, and return home
relaxed and happy. Sometimes I ride with my husband, but quite often
I ride solo. I was reluctant to go out alone at first, but its
given me great confidence to ride solo. Im in real estate and
like taking the bike out to preview property. Chores are much more
fun on a bike! Im already looking for a different bike that can
go longer distances more comfortably, but again, height is a factor, and
Im discovering weight, too. Im a bit intimidated by the heaver
bikes (over 500 lbs) but willing to go out there and give it a try.
Theres a Harley-Davidson XL883L Sportster L
advertised locally so Im going to check it out and see if it feels
right. My dream bike would be a BMW F650GS, which is discontinued,
and too high. But I like the idea of a dual sport bike so when Im
out previewing real estate, and encounter long gravel driveways that go up
and down, I can ride on up to the house. Im beginning to
understand riders who have a stable of bikes. We need one for each
new riding condition. Your picture looks like youre riding a BMW. My bike is due for its 4000 mile check up and I
will be doing my own maintenance, with help from my husband. He
feels that I should understand my bike mechanically which will contribute
to safety and better riding skills. Gosh darn it, its hard to
argue that logic! So Ill be getting my hands dirty changing oil and
checking other things. Ive been through the service guide and it
doesnt look too bad. I hope you can use my comments for the testimonial
page or any way you choose. I do enjoy riding and glad to pass along
encouragement to others. Right now, though, I should get out there
on this glorious spring day and ride. I can type on the computer
when its raining! Take care, and if youre ever in our part of the
world, you are welcome to come visit. Ill show you some wonderful
roads. Dear Joan, The dual sports are built high and sit high for a reason ... they are designed for ground clearance when you're off the road, and that can include rocks, brush, etc. One wouldn't want to be scraping the bottom of the transmission all the time! Over time we've heard from a number of riders, who once they have some more road miles piled on, feel comfortable with a bike that they are only reaching the ground at a stop with the balls of their feet. I'll also point out an excellent article (PDF file) from a short woman rider who favors the sporty bikes and has learned to work with riding boot modification to make it all happen for her. Just something to digest while you're cruising the want ads! I also am very much in tune with your husband's thinking on learning basic maintenance. The more we know about the beasties that carry us about, the better equipped we are to calmly handle a problem on the road. I can recount several occasions where I took a deep breath, consider the problem, thought through the systems that could be causing the situation, and located the icky. Duct tape has become my friend and served me well ... Have fun shopping for the next bike! Mama Wednesday, April 30 For Nervous who is trying to decide on what size bike the first one should be: I totally agree with you on getting a smaller used bike for at least part of the first season, if not longer. Definitely takes a lot of the stress away. Would recommend the Fat Bob as a first larger bike to move up to. This bike handles so very easily and at 5'5" it should fit Nervous well. The very first thing that came to my mind when riding the Fat Bob was this would be a good bike for someone that had just started riding and wanted a larger bike. M. (note from Mama: I'm hearing all sorts of good things about the Fat Bob and appreciate your view!) Thursday, May 8 Dear VTwin Mama, Dear Jen, So, if you've never been a motorcycle at all, then I would definitely take a riding class. At this time of year, classes in the area may already be filled, but one can get on a wait list. For a full overview of what to consider before taking a class, I offer my Learning To Ride A Motorcycle article for $3.95 (which is found on the same page as the riding class providers). That's not to say your Dad can't teach you, but just realize that not all riders make good instructors! If you take a class, which is most likely given on a 250cc bike (or 492cc for the Harley-Davidson course), then you'll have the input on how well you did, how comfortable you feel, and whether you should do your initial 6-12 months on a similar size bike or can move up to a mid-range (500-800cc) bike. If you're going to have your Dad teach you, then I'd look in the classifieds for a 250-500cc used bike. In this case, your inseam will give you clues if a bike will allow your legs to reach the ground flat footed. For instance, you're 64" tall and probably have an inseam of about 28". So, given that you'll be straddling a bike, which pushes one's thighs out about 2" before the legs can go to the ground, any bike with a seat height over 26" is going to require some help. The first thing is to make up the distance with a pair of riding boots with a nice solid sole of an inch or two in height. Looking at the Motorcycle Seat Height chart, you'll see that a Honda Rebel or Yamaha VStar 250 (formerly called a Virago) would fit nicely and are more often on the market as a rider moves up in size. In this chart you'll also find weight information and pricing for a new one. Still, while looking at used bikes for sale, the chart will quickly help you understand what the seat height reality is. Of course you'll still need to gauge your arm reach to handlebar controls and leg reach to foot controls. I'm hoping this gives you plenty of ideas on how to get your adventure in motorcycle riding started! Mama Thursday, May 8 From Won't Quit whose Ninja 500 wasn't fitting right: I am so glad I found your site and I have some great news. Last time I emailed I was so upset about my ride on my Ninja. Well I decided that riding was going to be part of my life with my hubby but I had to find the right bike. I DID! I sold my Ninja to a really great lady as her first bike ... I hope she enjoys it as much as she said she will, and bought a 2007 650 Boulevard S40...and I LOVE IT!! I really think this bike was built just for me. It has a 27" seat, enough power for long rides, it's like sitting on a couch it's so darn comfortable. Went out twice on Sunday for 45 minutes each time. Good country road riding, barely any traffic, and my husband and I had a blast. I am looking forward to Mother's Day. Last year my hubby and I went for a ride on his bike ... this year I AM ON MY OWN BABY!! My kids are happy for me too. The main thing is to anyone who thinks they just can't do it, is not to give up. If riding is something you want to do, you will!! Just don't quit! Loving it and thanks so much, love the site. Won't Quit, aka Karen (note from Mama: well, well, well ... I was hoping a lowering of the Ninja would do it for you, but it's not the first time I've heard of a rider reconsidering their options on style. There are definitely occasions when one has to let go of a bike that just isn't making one's heart sing! Congrats to you on the S40; I've heard lots of great things about that model and wish you many happy road miles, including this Sunday's Mother's Day ride!)
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