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2003: July to December Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
RedSonia, We've heard from other VTwin Mama sisters that getting respect on some dealers' showroom floors has proven to be a challenge. If you walk in with a guy, the salesperson tends to talk with the man, even if the bike is for you. If you walk in alone, you are ignored. My advice: get sassy! Walk in and take a quick look at the bikes. If a salesman doesn't approach you (and there are no other customers on the floor), find the closest employee and loudly announce that you are in the IMMEDIATE market for a new bike and would greatly appreciate assistance. If it looks like a salesperson is helping another customer, sweetly ask if there is another salesperson available. If there isn't, ask if you should take a number! If you are out shopping with a man by your side, and the salesperson starts talking to him, politely clear your throat and announce, "Isn't is sweet of *Mike* to come shopping with me, but the bike is for me, so let's talk!" It is helpful to clarify to the man shopping with you that you would appreciate his input, but that if the salesperson begins rambling on to him, that he should point to you and say, "The bike is for my friend, so why don't you talk directly to her." Once you have the salesperson's attention, don't be a milquetoast -- one of the things I learned is that in a sales situation, people will take you more seriously if you whip out a notebook and pen and begin jotting down information. Ask the salesperson's full name and ask for their business card. Then, get on with the questions you would like to ask (a good idea is to prepare a list in advance). For instance, you can begin by indicating what type of riding you have been doing (and what bike(s) you've been on), or if you are new and this is your first bike, indicate whether you've taken a course and what kind of riding you are looking to do in the future (local, day trip, longer trips, etc.). Next, (and don't be a wallflower on this) tell them straight up front what you're riding concerns are (again, a pre-prepared list is a great idea). Maybe it's weight or seat height or power or . . . whatever! If you're not sure, then ask to see the smallest bike they would recommend for the type of riding you would like to do. Then sit on the bike and voice your thoughts (i.e. the handlebars are too far away, the seat is too wide, etc.). Then, ask to see the next size bike. Also, ask if every model is represented on the floor. If not, ask for a catalog and have the salesperson note which bikes are not on the floor and where they fall in the range that you have been shown. Now,
in regard to taking a test ride. According to my local Yamaha/Honda
dealer, this is a huge liability and most dealers for the
"Japanese" bikes don't offer test riders UNLESS they have a demo
model on the floor (for instance, my dealer has a GoldWing demo available
so that is something I could test ride). The next thing to check for is
the big rallies in your area and determine if a specific manufacturer will
be showing bikes -- then test rides are usually available. Other than
that, you could check for bike clubs in your area for a particular brand
and beg for a test ride!
Mama Top Wednesday, July 2 Dear
VTwin Mama,
Dear Vicki, If
you want to read about what the VTwin Mama sisters have to say about
various bike models, you'll need to sift through 2.5 years of collected
thoughts -- so hop onto my Archive
Page to get to those sections. I've bolded the models in each letter
so hopefully you can scroll pretty quickly through. Also, check my Cool
Links page with a number of sites that offer road test reviews. This
should help a bit. You would think I'd have an opinion -- but I truly find
that there are too many variables that make for the "perfect"
bike for someone and I'm just not that great of a mind reader!
Mama Saturday, July 5 Dear
VTwin Mama, I
know, an approximate yearly mileage for a car is 12-15,000 miles/yr. What
is a rough estimate for a bike? I know some bikes are used for long rides,
others strictly joy rides. I just need a guideline as to how many miles is
too many miles. I hope to hear from you soon, and I look forward to the
day when I get to tell you about my days in MSF training, and my days on
the road. Thanks. for all that you do!!!!! So glad to have found you!
Laura
Dear
Laura, Every motorcycle has a specific set of routine maintenance items that should be done at specific mile "markers." Can the owner 1) show you his/her well worn service manual used to work on the bike? and 2) do they have a log of their work? At the very least, they should be able to point to the sparkplugs, battery, air filter, carburetor, cables, oil filter and oil level check and fill, tranny fluid level check and fill (if applicable), tires, chain (if applicable) and such. If they can't, then how did they take care of the bike? If the local dealer service handled it, then invoices should be available. You get the point here. Ask about how the bike has been ridden. Do you get the sense that they push the limits of the bike all the time, are more grandmotherly on Sunday rides, and if they did have it out on extended trips, what did they do along the way? If you see a bike for sale locally, you can always call the dealer yourself and ask about the life expectancy of the engine and transmission under "normal" riding conditions. You can also ask the owner to ride that bike to the local dealer for an inspection (which you would have to pay for, but might be worth the $$$). You can read this article from MotorcycleTips.com about buying a used bike -- it includes a link to the Kelly Blue Book for motorcycles which should give you an overall idea of the value of the bike (age, condition, make, model, etc.). Good luck in pursuing your new found dream of riding -- it's an adventure worth trying! Mama Saturday, July 5 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Angela, To understand the current value of your bike, go to the Kelly Blue Book for motorcycles as a guide. That said, you might find in your calls what a shop is willing to give you in trade-in, but like cars, don't expect them to be generous. That's why a lot of people simply sell the bike themselves. Last, but not least, despite the fact that you may lose some money on selling or trading-in the bike, if you really can't stand it, then get rid of it! What's the point of riding something you really don't like?! You say you should have gotten a different model right off the bat -- well, exactly how were you supposed to know that without some experience under your belt?! So, don't beat yourself up on this point. But, do get on with it! Once you have some facts and figures to work with, you can begin planning your "attack." Perhaps financially this may take awhile, but at least you know what you are working towards! Mama Saturday, July 5 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Jezebuell, Saturday, July 5 For Red Sonia who isn't getting any respect on the dealer's showroom floor: I bought a new bike this spring. Went to one dealer who couldnt be bothered to get up off his keester or even make eye contact when I went in and inquired about 2 different bikes. As a result I took my business to another dealer who not only was attentive and respectful, but gave me a deal that was $1000 better than the first dealership. Not only that, but gave me a 10% discount on any add-ons or gear for 3 mos, and sent additional catalogs in the mail to me and special ordered gear for me without requiring full payment on ordering. Needless to say the deal was sealed the next day. All of this was worth the 80 mile drive I take to have warranty checks, etc. Look around, dont put up with snotty sales people. Let them know they lost your business and why. Gloria (note from Mama: what a sassy and smart lady to shop around and insist on getting the service you deserve! After all, it's a lot of money we are talking about. When will these less-than-responsive dealers get a clue?) Monday, July 14 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Jesse, As a secondary measure, have you tried visiting the dealer showroom to look at 350/400cc bikes to see how much bigger the frame actually is? You might be pleasantly surprised and a trade-in might be possible. I'd definitely do this as a second step. Mama Tuesday, July 15 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sidney, According to the Kelley Blue Book for Motorcycles, a 2002 Metro 2 in good condition has an approximate trade-in value of $865. Check the link to enter your own zip code, bike year, etc. to get the info you need. Armed with this information, you are in better position to visit your local Honda dealer and begin negotiations. Mama Monday, July 21 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Rosann, I'm a big believer in having books to complete this type of project, so I took a look at Motorbooks and found two books of interest (the link is below: scroll down the left side to click on the Harley Davidson link, then choose the upper left link, complete selection, and you'll find them.). "How to Build the Ultimate V-Twin Motorcycle" by Tim Remus for $19.95 and his accompanying "Ultimate V-Twin Motorcycle Chassis," also for $19.95. These books chronicle the parts and steps necessary to build a Harley.
I will also note that there are Harley-style kit bikes available -- some examples can be found by clicking on this link. If this idea appeals to you, then use your search engine to find more kit bikes and compare style and pricing. Mama Wednesday, July 23 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
E., Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Michael, I don't recall that I've ever run across a site with motorcycle reviews written specifically by women for women, but one I do recommend otherwise is Leon's. Lots of useful info here. Mama Friday, August 1 Dear
VTwin Mama, 1. On the Rev counter there is 2 red lights, one has
tail light written at the top, so i presume this is indicating that the
tail light is on, But what is the other, it seems to come on at 7,000 revs
and goes off when changing gear unless you are in top then is stays on, is
it a gear shift indicator ? Hope you can help. Thanks. Andy Dear
Andy, As it happens, I know the answer to these questions!! The red light is a Japanese market feature to indicate that you have exceeded 80 kph, or 50 mph (naughty if in town!!), and can safely be ignored on the open road in Britain. The NV400SP produces 44 HP at 9,000 rpm or so, unless it is a restricted European model with 33HP (unlikely given the flashing red light). As it is slightly heavier than my own Virago 400, they both give similar performance, i.e. plenty unless you're a maniac or like going faster than you should. Tyre pressures should be 28 psi front and 32 psi rear, unless one is generous in proportions, in which case 36 psi rear would be advisable. The Honda Japanese web site used to give good details (just have to translate the Japanese...) but typing "NV400SP Honda" into Google should give a wealth of choices. So there you have it from Martin! Mama Monday, August 4 For Michael, whose girlfriend is looking at Spirits and VStars: I ride a 2002 Honda Shadow Spirit 750 and I'm very happy with it. I'm 5' 4" and weigh about 140, so I'm not a big person. But I don't have any trouble handling it. It has a fairly low center of gravity so I can easily reach the ground. It's only the second bike I've ever ridden so I don't know anything about the Yamaha. My husband has a Honda VTX 1300 and I have no trouble at all keeping up with him on highway rides. My Spirit has enough power to suit me. Hope this helps a little bit. Linda in Ft. Worth, TX (note from Mama: every bit of shared information helps. Thanks for sending your insights!) I don't think she'd go wrong with either Honda's 750
Spirits or Yamaha's VStar 650 Classic, but I must confess am a true
believer in Honda's reliability. Thursday, August 7 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Lara, Then look for reviews on the Internet for bikes that have captured your interest! If your budget doesn't allow for a new bike, you are now in position to scan the newspaper and Internet sites for used bikes that meet your requirements. Equally important is your experience level. If you've never ridden (or just barely), a safety riding course is a great first step. You need to get the basics under your belt before heading off into the wild, blue yonder. And it will make your shopping trips so much more informed! Check the Motorcycle Safety Foundation's site for courses near you. Or check your Yellow Pages for an independent course. While your boyfriend might be able to help you learn, not all riders make good teachers -- just keep that in mind! Mama Friday, August 8 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Dean, Certainly a 250cc bike does not have the overall power of a 650cc bike, and yes, it may feel like you're revved up all the time. But the same can be said for the difference between a 650cc bike and a 1200cc bike! The more important question is what type of riding are you planning on doing? Let this be your guide. Just looking to get to work and back locally? Maybe day trips are in mind. Or possibly you're hoping to cruise great distances as your experience increases. Now look at both sizes of bikes and ask yourself, "will this meet my needs in terms of performance, comfort, budget, skills, and style in the near future?" I'm always keen on trusting one's own instincts -- so what does your gut tell you? Buying a used but serviceable bike for cheap would give you time to practice and get a better feel for what ultimately will satisfy you. No matter what you decide, you STILL might find yourself in a year looking for an even bigger, more powerful bike! But only experience and practice will bring you to this point. Mama Friday, August 15 Dear
VTwin Mama, After 2 weeks I realized if I wanted to run with the big dogs, I would need stronger legs. My friends and their wider front tires seemed undaunted by stripped road surfaces. (It's what they do in Missouri for fun. When a road gets bad, make it worse with a pavement-eating cheese grater.) When I would ride on the same stripped surfaces with my 90-90 front tire it rode like a psycho slot car. Pure terror. Mind you I love the Virago, but often felt out of control on some surfaces. Alas, money and desire do not always come to you at the same time, so finally , two and one half weeks ago, I purchased a 2001 VStar 1100 Classic. I had looked at the Custom, but the wider front tire was a major factor in my decision. Now I see what I was missing in handling. Oh sure, It handles like a heavier bike but it also dances like the Virago never could. The center of gravity is so much lower that I could almost ride it without hands. And those stripped surfaces...I know they are there but with the wider tire and the added weight they are no longer an issue. Oh yeah, my friend moved up to a VTX1300 this spring after realizing that if she wanted to run with the big dogs, she'd need stronger legs. (In the long run, it outdistances her husbands Dyna). One week after I purchased my bike, My friend and I went to Cocoa Beach, Florida and back. 2427 miles. The bikes handled it effortlessly. I would encourage anyone who would consider travel on the interstates to really think about at least an 1100. You don't need a monster to ride interstate, but a strong engine and a bike that doesn't blow around easily will make a world of difference. What ever you do, keep the bike BENEATH you. Kay Dear
Kay, Monday, August 25 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Judy, If you're totally convinced that the Yami 185 is the bike for you, go for it! Just keep in mind that the resale value of your upgraded bike might not recoup your total investment should you decide to sell it later. This is not necessarily bad, but something to consider. Mama Monday, August 25 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Sheri, At the same time, visit local dealer's showrooms and start sitting on bikes to gain an overall understanding of the differences. With the Fall/Winter season coming up, many bike shows will be available -- an excellent opportunity to check out all makes/models of bikes under one roof! MotorcycleEvents.com organizes this information by city/state, so take a look and see if a show is near you in the coming months. I agree that the Dyna Wide Glide is an excellent bike -- but think of this in terms of a car purchase -- if your friend noted that the Subaru was the correct car for you, you would still go out to car lots and begin shopping! Don't let the excitement of getting back into riding cloud your vision -- take the time to explore the many bikes out there by understanding what type of riding you'll be doing, how big your pocketbook really is, etc. It's a lot of work, but well worth it! Mama Thursday, September 4 Dear
VTwin Mama, I know at the present time I will not be traveling on major interstates or in a big city. Mostly it will be small country roads and small towns. My husband is planning on buying a bike in the spring so we can cruise together, so should I wait until he buys one or get one and be proficient on it? Also should I get a cruiser or standard bike (and do I really know the difference?)? I read your newsletter and website almost daily and become confused as to what tire size has to do with ride smoothness etc. At times I feel I know nothing about riding a bike. But I am not giving up. My husband is a little bewildered by my interest in riding (after 28 yrs of marriage, he feels he doesn't know me at all), but I try to explain that since I was 13 I wanted to ride my own. I really enjoy reading your site and it encourages me greatly. Keep up the good work. Snoma Dear
Snoma, And who doesn't like to shop -- especially for something so wonderful! My favorite thing is a good bike show -- where all makes and models are under one roof and you can spend the day making comparisons, sitting on bikes and talking to people. Check MotorcycleEvents to see if something is coming up in your area this fall/winter -- prime time for shows. It would be a great way for you and your husband to share the upcoming choices together. Here's a lovely article on the different bike styles so that you can "speak the lingo" as they say! No need to get bogged down on tire size yet -- you've got plenty of time to get into the details once you've got a feel for the types/styles of bikes that have captured your attention! Mama Thursday, September 11 Dear
VTwin Mama, I recently saw an automatic bike, a Ridley made in Oklahoma City. The seat height is around 24.5 inches, which is good since I am 5'3". My boyfriend wants me to get a Sportster but my concern is the seat height and the top heaviness, stiff clutch lever. I would like to be able to ride on country roads, and perhaps on longer trips or trailer it to the mountains. Do you know anything about the automatic bikes? It would be easier for me to not have to have the clutch deal as I tend to lose my grip. I workout and am in good shape, but HE says I need to go to the gym more and get stronger when it is my joints that are the problem and I plan to ride for a very long time so I want to buy the right bike right away...price is not an option. These Ridleys come in a 3/4 size which is intriguing as well as full size comparable to a Heritage Softail....I need help...I read your column frequently and find you full of information. Thank you for your continued interest and intelligent advice for all new riders, men and women, you are an inspiration. I would not have finished my class if it weren't for your column. Paula Dear
Paula, Many women have noted that the Sportster is a difficult bike to handle from many aspects, including the ones you mentioned. And I'm sure your boyfriend means well, but arthritis is different than being out of shape -- which you are not. So, it's time to stiffen that backbone of yours. I would two things. First, check for a motorcycle show in your area by visiting Motorcycle Events. This is an opportunity to see all makes/models under one roof. Second, contact Ridley yourself to obtain the names of owners who might be willing to talk with you about why they chose an automatic bike. What little I've heard about these bikes is that they are an excellent alternative for people with your concerns. Take the time to explore this option. And trust your gut instinct. As my hero, the late great Ann Landers use to say, "no one can take advantage of you unless you let them." Don't let anyone tell you or talk you into getting something that might not meet YOUR needs. You know what's best for you. And an automatic bike is not being a weenie -- there's a reason they build them and people buy them. So, if it makes sense for YOU, then do it! Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Snoma, For Snoma who is looking to compare specs on bikes more easily: When I was trying to decide on a smaller bike, and which one, I found reader reviews at www.epionions.com/cars. (use the menu to choose motorcycles and go from there) I found various information on each bike I was considering by searching Google, targeting one bike model at a time. To compare the specifications of two models at a time (wheelbase size, tank capacity, seat height, etc.) I found a handy thing at a local dealer's web site, but it is several levels in (several clicks) so I wrote the steps to get there. It's at www.state8.com. Click New Vehicles from the list at left. Find a brand to start with and click Motorcycles to the right of it. This brings up a page with small pics of various models. Click on your choice. A spec sheet comes up. In the right corner area, just right of the motorcycle pic is a list of links. Click on Compare 2 Vehicles. It brings up double spec sheets of the bike you chose. Then you can use the popup menu to choose another brand, etc., etc. The result is two spec sheets side by side. This saves a lot of back-and-forth clicking for comparing. Hope this helps. It pays to research for yourself beforehand. After searching, I visited dealers to sit on the bikes I was comparing. There is no substitute for this part of the research! I also asked sales people about changing positions of pedals, calipers, etc. I was afraid to ask anything the first time around and paid dearly for it. Sales people are paid to serve you, newbie or not. Hope this helps. Linda Carruth (note from Mama: I hopped on to State 8 Motorcycle & ATV's site and tried the side-by-side spec comparison of Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki and Aprilia bikes myself and it worked wonderfully!) Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Speedy, Monday, October 20 For Speedy who noted that test ride opportunities are far and few between: At least 3 HD dealers in the Phoenix area have rentals. Before I bought my Sportster, I rented one for a day just to see if it was something I'd really want to buy. It was, and I did. The one day rental was approx $150 and well worth it! Each dealer has a variety of bikes from the Hugger to the big cruisers. There is also a non-Harley motorcycle rental place in town as well. Look around! Barbara Crumley in Queen Creek, AZ (note from Mama: I think renting is an excellent alternative, and if you're really going to drop $15-20k on a bike, what's a hundred or so to really check it out -- besides, it's a much better indicator than a short test ride around the block!) Thursday, November 6 Dear
VTwin Mama, The bike I want to get is the Victory Vegas. I rode my brother's Vegas around the block a few times and felt fine. The major difference of course, to the bike I rode in the course, is the weight. I really want this bike. Do you think it's smart to buy a 1500 for my first bike? I'm dreading your answer. That is, if it's yes. Gambling on Vegas? Dear
Gambling, Guess what?! It's ok! Now, let's do a reality check. Let's say you get the 1500. What steps are you planning to take to acclimate yourself to the new bike? Hop on dirt/gravel country road and zoom, zoom right off the bat at 70mph? Me thinks not! Perhaps your brother would be kind enough to bring his bike to an empty parking lot and let you have a crack at practice time. This way you could begin to learn the bike, how it's additional weight reacts to your handling, etc. and take baby steps with him right there helping at any juncture you need it. Or, if you're gung-ho, get the bike, find a close, safe place to practice, and begin your MSF course maneuvers with the bigger bike. Slow steps, easy steps, and pay attention to every nuance of how the bike is handling, how you're feeling about the bike, etc. Then, zoom, zoom! Many women report that getting a "between" bike in cc range and weight (from the MSF's 250 bike to the one they really want) is a great step if the finances can handle it -- look locally for a used bike to spend some time on, then "graduate" to your dream bike. Mama Dear
VTwin Mama, It is so different riding it, like night and day. I am still very careful and cautious, because it has so much more power, but I feel grown-up on it. I am still riding the small roads out around my house, and am working on taking it into the small town I live near, but I will eventually. My goal is to ride it down into a popular biker ride in this area called Red Rock Canyon, which has a fairly steep, curvy road down and of course up. But I know I will. Another future goal of mine is to ride it to church in a town about 25 miles away, my daughters say they will not acknowledge me in my leathers and flat hair. ( I am trying to decide how to fix my hair once I get there). I really enjoy reading this site, because I get so much encouragement from other newbie riders, and I know it is O.K. to take my time and learn to ride safely. What I really hate is that cold weather is beginning to show up and I am a weenie when it comes to cold, but hope to take my bike out a few times before it gets really bad. Keep up the good work, Petra. Snoma in Oklahoma Dear
Snoma, By the by . . . God does not care about flat hair. And He is the one that matters so tell your daughters to suck it in and honor their mother. Or have them read the VTwin Mama hair smush page for more ideas! Mama Tuesday, November 11 Dear
VTwin Mama, I think I made the right decision to practice on a smaller bike. Cornering doesn't scare me now and handling the heavier bike was fine. Honestly, I am amazed at women who go straight from the basic course to a really big bike. By the way, some of the Harley shops are letting people test-ride the new Sportster now. Regards, Sarah Dear
Sarah, Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Melissa, Then, go sit on that Shadow (yum, yum) and note the differences (even just sitting on it in the showroom). Or, go sit on it right now, before the course, and pay attention to these things -- then compare to the 250 -- and then back again! Too much difference right off the bat (especially if the riding portion of the course proved to be a bit more of a challenge than you had anticipated)? Then consider a used 250 to get some more practice time in before moving up in size. Or position the purchase of a new Rebel with the condition of trade-in down the line. Many women report that they are so glad they started with a smaller bike to get some more practice time in, so know that if you decide this route, you are in excellent company! Can't wait to give you a biker wave on the road! Mama Friday, November 28 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Gary, Tuesday, December 2 For Melissa who doesn't know if she should start on a VLX or Rebel: I went through the exact same debate when I went to purchase my very first bike. Not ever having ridden my own before, my husband tried to get me to buy the Rebel. I sat on the Rebel and on the VLX and felt that I would outgrow the Rebel too fast. Against my hubby's advice I bought the VLX and never regretted it. I loved it. I'm 5'4" with a 30" inseam. It was perfect. However, I outgrew IT by the end of the riding season! I bought a Sabre 1100 the next Spring which brought the horsepower I needed for the long road trips on interstates, but I have missed my VLX ever since! Welcome to the wonderful world of motorcycles! Enjoy and stay safe! Jennifer (note from Mama: nothing like "been there, done that" advice!) I agree with Mama about going with the one that feels the most comfy. But I want to add that I know a lot of gals who bought small bikes to learn on and then wished they would've gotten a bigger one pretty quickly. Just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's easier to ride for beginners! Starla (note from Mama: good point at the end!) Friday, December 5 For Melissa who doesn't know if she should start on a VLX or Rebel: I'm 5'0" and could actually get my feet on the ground better on the VLX. I bought the VLX without having any riding experience at all. Now that I've been riding some, the VLX sometimes feels small out there on the road. I don't regret my choice at all after getting over the first beginner phase! Susan (note from Mama: well done!) I know the prevailing opinion will probably be to just go for it and get the VLX since she'll soon grow out of the Rebel. I just couldn't keep quiet about this one. I was going to start on a Rebel, but then figured I could learn on the VLX and skip that whole upgrade process. I sat on an older Rebel and a VLX in the showroom. Our dealer, State 8, always has lots of used bikes in various makes/models on their showroom floor, so I got to sit on lots of bikes in one place. They all felt heavy. I didn't have the experience to really discern the difference, so I should have at least paid closer attention to the weight factor. (Weight is a factor in momentum/inertia and the rider must be in control at all times.) The newer VLX was better balanced than the old Rebel, which may account for the similar feel. I thought the Rebel was too small. I went for the VLX. Yeah, there was some pride involved too, I suppose. Then halfway through the next riding season I went back and got a Virago 250 and virtually started all over again. So much for pride. I have since discovered that everyone I know who rides, learned on a smaller bike. Even the guys who have been riding for years; there was some initial experience with a smaller, less powerful machine. Looking back, I should have gone for a Rebel. I don't think I would have had my accident, nor the ensuing devastating jitters, and I'd be out there going on longer rides with my husband instead of taking it so slow. (Sigh) If Melissa has never ridden a bike before, I vote for the Rebel. There. I said it and I'm not sorry. Linda Carruth (note from Mama: you should never be sorry for sharing clear, level-headed thinking that comes from experience. You have shared your honest opinion that will help other women who may feel "pushed" into a bigger bike right away give more credence to their gut instinct to start out smaller. That's good!) Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
Faye, Now, I'm assuming you've heard of the premier chopper shop, West Coast Choppers, lead by the infamous Jesse James. For a gal's point of view, I'd contact Debbie Martin, owner of Elite Custom Motorcycles in Prescott, AZ at 928-778-5644. They are building custom choppers and I'm sure she would be a good source of info for your technical/pricing/reality check-type questions. And she's super nice (great to talk with and she hosted a free BBQ for us starved gals this summer at the WOW national ride-in). Mama Tuesday, December 9 For Melissa who doesn't know if she should start on a VLX or Rebel: I started out on a Rebel. I had never ridden before, and everyone I talked to said that the Rebel was the perfect starter bike. I have to admit, the small size and light weight of the Rebel was comforting because I felt like I could handle it right from the start. HOWEVER, after getting my license and "graduating" to riding in traffic, the small size and light weight actually bothered me. A lot. I was very fearful of traffic on that small bike. After about 4 months, I started looking around for a bigger bike. My roommate and I rented Harleys, and I was really surprised to find that the bigger, heavier bike was actually just as easy to ride and gave me much more confidence in traffic. I considered a Honda Shadow Sabre and a Harley Sportster, and finally ordered a Sportster 1200C, partly because Harleys hold resale value and because I was able to test drive the Harley. None of the Honda dealers in my vicinity would allow a test ride. I sold the Rebel recently for the same amount I paid for it, and I'm actually glad I started on the Rebel. But if money is a big consideration for Melissa, she may want to start out on the VLX. Lisa in Florida (note from Mama: thanks for sharing your viewpoints -- you've added some new insights to this question. ) Wednesday, December 10 For Faye who really, really, really wants a chopper: I am just a beginner rider myself, but my husband has been riding for years and last February he researched quite a few choppers. He ended up getting a 2003 Custom Bigdog Chopper and it is just beautiful! He loves it... and actually it sits low enough that (if it weren't for the 250 tire on the back) if I were a better rider it would fit me great too. I believe it is 25" off the ground. The problem with the fat tire is you don't have the reach with your legs to the ground because the outer primary is offset (so your right leg has to go around it for your foot to touch the ground). There are also some others like Vengence, BMC, Red Horse and Iron Horse just to name a few. Most of them have websites to check out. Also, Bigdog has really reasonable pricing (considering how custom the bikes are) and have been absolutely great to work with. Good luck in your research...will be anxious to hear what you come up with! Kristie (note from Mama: wow, we truly benefit from your hubby's research -- thanks! ) Friday, December 12 Dear
VTwin Mama, Dear
No Name, As an alternative, you may want to hit Internet discussion forums specific to these models (just use a search engine and type in the bike name followed by the words discussion forum) and read through some messages and pose your question on reliability, maintenance, breakdowns, etc. People who have been there and done that would know quite a lot I would imagine. Now, let's see if the readers of this site chime in with their thoughts. Mama Dear
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Amber, What I did was to type in "woman review of the Kawasaki Vulcan 800" in Google and came up with a review by a gal on a Vulcan 800 Classic (and she posts an email) -- so that might be a source for "chat." And here is a review of the '02 Vulcan 800a on the Beginner Bike site (although I think this was written by a . . . man (shhhhh)). You might also want to hunt for a specific discussion forum for your "intended" bike model -- if you do end up getting it, this will be a great place for technical questions, questions on customizing, etc. Mama Dear
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Cathy, Oops. That was rather . . . a result of eating too much of the raw cookie dough while I was making Xmas cookies tonight! Major sugar rush! Let's try again . . . the answer is . . . I don't know! Crap, that wasn't much better, was it?! The truth is, each rider comes into the sport with different levels of built in talent, know-how, just plain luck, and possibly even having a former life as a motorcycle racer (I don't have Shirley McLain's email, but telepathy may get you there!). For some, who quite clearly are starting out on the bottom of the ladder, they immediately know that easy does it, start off on a smaller bike, get some practice in, then check out a bigger bike in 6 months or a year. For others, a good mid-size cc bike is going to do it -- making sure that initial time on the bike is done is a safe, distraction-free zone, to begin running through the exact same lessons that you used in the class to get acclimated tot he 250cc. Then and only then hit the street -- and then only when there is very little traffic. The same thing can apply to a bigger cc bike, but with perhaps a few added precautions. One, do some "balance finding" exercises to make sure you have a real feel for the bike's weight (with the engine off and a pal holding onto the handlebar straddling the front tire, begin to lean, push and pull the bike to see what you can handle and understand how it feels). If getting the bike to a safe zone for practice is going to be too much, make sure you have a pal lined up to get the bike there and back until you are ready to tackle traffic, traffic signs and small children chasing their snowmen's head out into the street. Oops, the sugar rushed again. But you get my (snow) drift . . . right?! Mama Wednesday, December 17 For Amber who is looking at the VTX and Vulcan 800: I test drove the 1300cc VTX in the Summer of 2002. At the time I was riding the Honda Shadow Sabre 1100cc. I loved the Sabre, but found it to be a little big for me (short legs!) and top heavy as well. When I test drove the VTX I fell in love with it because of the way it felt on the road and was very seriously considering purchasing it. Even though it had a bigger engine the center of gravity was lower than the Sabre and it felt like it could balance itself by itself! It maneuvered like a dream! So easily, in fact, that I scraped up the bottoms of the floorboards on some mild twisties and didn't even realize how far I was leaning with so little effort. It didn't ride like I expected a "big" bike would. It felt smaller but had a lot of power. It did vibrate a little more than the Sabre but the salesman said that it was made to do that to give it a retro feel as well as look (my eyes about rolled out of my head at that one! - beats me how true that actually is though). I didn't care for the look of the Retro and was waiting for the arrival of the newer style (the standard look - like the 1800cc). That one is set up somewhat differently; different handlebars and foot pegs. I sat on it and it felt different too. I didn't test drive it and am still looking for my next bike. I would recommend that YOU take them out for a test drive. Only you will know what will fit you best. Good luck! I plan to take my own advice and test drive a Volusia 800cc. However, I'm looking for the same information as Amber. Anyone who rides or has ridden one please let me know what you think. Thanks a bunch! Jennifer (note from Mama: wow, lots of good info and sharing!) I have a 2003 Vulcan 800 Classic. I just got my license this past year, and this is my first bike. It's a great bike, it runs well, and is easy to handle. I'm 5'8", and I did add pullback risers to it to make my riding position more comfortable. I may also in the future change the handlebars at some point so I can sit back a couple of inches more, but it's ok as it is. Anyone with a Vulcan needs to know about VROC, the Vulcan Riders and Owners Club. They are an online group, with a website at www.vroc.org that includes a web forum. If you ever have a question about your Vulcan, they are the folks to ask. Happy Holidays! Elaine (note from Mama: wow, lots more good stuff!) Wednesday, December 17 For Cathy who is wondering if an 1100 is too big to begin on: I hope Cathy starts with a smaller bike. Pavement is best viewed from a distance. I found the feeling of confidence that comes from practicing on a smaller bike translates well and it's worth the wait. Update on the Triumph peeling paint in the gas tank... apparently caused by additives in American gasoline. Sanding down to the steel just around the neck of the filler hole is the recommended treatment, so that's what I'm doing. The only caution is to keep the gas tank filled so the fumes prevent condensation and corrosion. Finally got a response from the Triumph rep. I'm looking forward to getting the bike back later this week. Thanks for the advice and encouragement. Sarah (note from Mama: wow, who would have thunk on the gas additive -- I guess we learned something! And I love your "adage" about where to view the pavement from -- how very appropriate!) Friday, December 19 For Amber who is looking at the VTX and Vulcan 800: I ride a 2002 Kawasaki Vulcan 800 Standard. I love It! It provides a smooth, comfortable ride, easy handling and great performance and reliability. And it's beautiful as well. The weight is just right, it's heavy but not too heavy, and the seat is sooooo comfortable for the rider, tho not as much for the passenger. We put a windshield on which I love. I do not have the need for speed, that's why I like the cruiser, but it has the ability to stay with anything out there that I care to stay with. I can hit the Interstate and ride along side the semi trucks at 70 or 80+ with no doubt that my bike will be responsive under any situation, be it passing, merging or just runnin' with the pack, then let off the throttle and downshift and immediately get the desired result. The only downfall is it has a 34 degree rake, only one other bike I know of matches it, so you can get the chopper flop goin' on but once you learn how to handle it there's no problem. As my husband always told me when I was learning to ride, "you have to be one with your bike". I am 5'1" and 115 pounds and I love my bike! If I were in the market to replace it for some reason, I'd buy the EXACT same bike all over again. Rhonda (note from Mama: it's almost a crime to be sooooooo happy! NOT!!!!!!!!) Friday, December 19 For Cathy who is wondering if an 1100 is too big to begin on: There is much talk about what size bike to start with, and many people suggest smaller bikes. The advantage of smaller bikes is that it is easier to learn to ride and HANDLE your bike if it is a 250 or 500cc. For new riders, gaining confidence is half the battle...building skills is the other half. I chose a 800cc Vulcan Drifter. Now, at first, this bike was too big for me as a starter bike. However, I spent many hours riding and learning to handle the bike in a local Industrial Park (only one business so no traffic). When I did hit the street, I only rode streets that are not heavy traffic area's. As the months went by, I did become confident and was able to handle the bike just fine. Now one may say that a 800 is not a large bike; however, you put a kawi Vulcan 800 Drifter beside a 1200 Customer HD.... and the Drifter makes the HD look SMALL. It is a much larger bike in size. (cc is your power and quickness) It is now been a year and a half. I love my bike and do not plan to buy a bigger bike. My bike is big enough for me. So, by buying a "larger" bike, I don't have to buy a new one to learn how to ride and handle all over again. So, it really is up to you, your size, strength, endurance, and skill level. The big bikes do look nice, just be comfortable with what you buy and allow plenty of time to gain confidence and skill before hitting the street. The most important thing is to be safe..not stupid. "I love to ride". Bonnie (note from Mama: that last sentence says it all. Whatever path you choose, if it ends up being frustrating, too much, or not enough -- step back, reassess the situation, and then correct! Sometimes only time will help with that! ) For Cathy and everyone
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